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Old 10-07-2006, 07:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Us Government

Below is a carry forward from Lazy's

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I see, I think now we are getting at the heart of the issue as you see it. No offense intended, but it seems like you are personally disgruntled with the way governments run because they do not cover your agenda or the issues you would like to see discussed. Now there is plenty of reason for this action as you've already said, but it has nothing to do with the necessity of the state (it certianly affects its effectiveness, but seeing as the state is a necessary institution this pitfall is likely to be introduced at some point or another). They want to keep possibly dangerous issues on the backburner because it's politically advantageous. They don't have to deal with partisanship if they do that, since they won't be berated as a "pinko" or a "hater of the poor" depending on what their stance on the issue of poverty is. Honestly I don't feel it is the responsibility of the state to make sure that people make a living, though I understand the cycle of poverty. I do however think it is the responsibility of the state to provide sufficient education such that people don't get stuck in such a cycle in the first place.

In the end though, you must consider, even if it be a government of laws and not men, men run it and men are fallable. Men are self-serving creatures and such will pursue a self-serving agenda. However, when common interests are present, a self-serving agenda also may serve others, and a proper government allows for a mechanism to manifest such interests.


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Old 10-07-2006, 08:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think the key word is to not be "stuck" in poverty. Education is a wonderful remedy for that. However, I think people confuse being stuck in poverty with just merely being "in" poverty for the time being.

I would say someone who is going through a trade school or something may be 'in' poverty at the time, but when they graduate will be in a much better position. So for the time being, they are impoverished. One who flips burgers for 15 years is "stuck" in that impoverished rut. I do agree that education is the key remedy to social poverty, not so much welfare programs nor other spending. Those are less effective in treating the current symptoms and not the cause, it seems to me.

Educational promotion and value through societal responsibility is what is comes down to. If one does not value learning and knowledge, what will they care if loads of money is spent on it? It's a social problem with social remedies, IMO.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The Johnson Admin had a pretty good program called the War on Poverty, the prob was that every admin since has done all in their power to dismantle it and with great success. It would not have been a total elimination but a very good start and with a chance for a good overcome.

BTW--nice to see you again.
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Old 10-17-2006, 10:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thumbs down the "new constitution"

well people, the Gov have done the final step, they made what george W. calls A "new constition" they call it Military Commissons Act 06', you thought you lost your l rights with the Patriot Act, this one is even worse: WE NEED TO WAKE UP AMERICA!! theres still time to act we need to move now!!!!! this is the new age paul revere! dont even get me started on the new TORTURE ACT!!!!
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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And what is wrong with NOT giving constitutional rights to people that are not from this country? Seems to me you're just pissed that it's President Bush doing this and not either Kerry or Gore. If the Democrats had half the concern for the country that they say they do, then we wouldn't be talking about this right now. They would have gotten behind the President and supported him. But, no. They got a political agenda to push and that is more important to them.
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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When does a "caring" politician ever have anything but a political agenda? So are you saying that unless you are a "card carrying" American you have no rights when accussed of a crime?
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:29 AM   #7 (permalink)
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They aren't accused of a crime, they are accused of acts of war against a nation. Sorry, but it's not like they held up the local 7-11.
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Old 10-18-2006, 04:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Wake Up Call!

NO thats not even close to what i am saying, its not that fact george bush is doing and not any one else, im a independent. so i wouldnt vote for any of those. And no its not JUST for people from other countries, the hr-6166 leaves so many gaps on classifying WHO ARE TERRORIST AND WHO ARENT! the GOV can now come in take you or your kids or your wife OR ALL THREE! take you to jail, ONLY on grounds that your a "terrorist" and the gov can classify ANYOBODY as a terrorist even just for saying anything they dont like!
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Old 10-18-2006, 06:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm not a Republican or a Democrat either, so what does you being an independent have to do with anything?
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Old 10-18-2006, 06:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Can someone explain clearly and simply what, exactly this thread is about ?

Or is this kind of another general "I'm pissed at America" thread.
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