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Old 05-11-2008, 04:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
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First, vastly scale back government. It gets in the way of economic prosperity, and unfairly taxes people. Bring back personal responsibility.
Don't look now, but that's been done from 1980 to 2008. People are starting to figure out that it ain't working.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Well I didn't really speculate why so many elements of our culture are hostile to knowledge, and frankly, I don't think any of us know why that is.

We were a nation founded by the greatest intellectuals of the 18th century, and yet now, we refuse to elect them to represent us. Christian groups are openly hostile to intellectuals and scientists, the general American public prefers a President they could see as their drinking buddy, and overall refuse to elect someone who talks in an educated manner in which they cannot comprehend.

We dumb down our schools for the lowest common denominator and people still flunk out, Our politics is at the level of 5 year olds. Whereas European politicians discuss political theory, and the real issues, American politicians say lines like "The terrorists hate our freedom" and "Big Business needs to pay!". In debates it's all about who can say the most "patriotic" lines, and have the best one liners, no matter how retarded they are. Clearly their is a mind void in the American cultural and political system that is very worrisome.

Education is a cultural value instilled upon children by their parents. I do not know how this can change without Americans stepping up, and deciding to change their world view. No Government action can do this.
I agree with your entire post, but would like to add that, although the attitude of parents is critically important, children also get cultural values from other sources. Most especially, after about age 10, their peer group and the media - and of course there's a lot of cross-over between those two. Note that the media is controlled mostly by advertising and the values espoused by that are materialism and instant gratification. There is no more than lip service for the values of hard work, dedication, etc. -not riveting enough.
So even the best parents in the world have an uphill battle in this culture.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:23 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Don't look now, but that's been done from 1980 to 2008. People are starting to figure out that it ain't working.
Those presidents were elected in large part because they were perceived of as being the enemies of government. Yet the American people put them in charge of our government. The fox guarding the henhouse.
Part of our culture's obsession with instant gratification and materialism: less government = less taxes = more money for ME.
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Fine post. Many people don't understand the difference between academics and intelligence.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:38 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Fine post. Many people don't understand the difference between academics and intelligence.
They both come from knowledge do they not?
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:09 PM   #29 (permalink)
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There are two things that in my mind that allowed or put the United States in a position to advance in economic status in the world in such a short time. I know you can make a list a mile long but I feel that at least in the early years 1800s – 1900s the lack of government involvement in the free market allowed growth while the wide adoption of standard education allowed for an increase in the brain power needed to fuel the growth. I think we have strayed away from these fundamentals.

Removing the Government involvement in the Markets is much simpler than fixing the Education system. What ever the cause of this down turn in education and based on what everyone has posted, what we have today isn’t working.
This is a great question and a lot of great answers
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There are two things that in my mind that allowed or put the United States in a position to advance in economic status in the world in such a short time. I know you can make a list a mile long but I feel that at least in the early years 1800s – 1900s the lack of government involvement in the free market allowed growth while the wide adoption of standard education allowed for an increase in the brain power needed to fuel the growth. I think we have strayed away from these fundamentals.

Removing the Government involvement in the Markets is much simpler than fixing the Education system. What ever the cause of this down turn in education and based on what everyone has posted, what we have today isn’t working.
This is a great question and a lot of great answers
A good post,but I can not help beleive that Americans have the desire to learn regardless of government intervention.

My aunt worked in a factory in Dayton Ohio from 1941 until 1945, until 1941 my aunt had never been inside a factory,my uncle was in the army at the time.
There were many other young people male and female that learned quick on how to do things from engineering to factory work to paper drives ect.
This was done at a time of rationing so there was a lot of government intervention.

In the 50's people learned new ways how to do differant things
The 60's brought change across the board from learning about intergration and the Veit Nam war

In my pinion it has never been a question of wether Americans want to learn young or old it is a question of what's available for them to learn.
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