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03-30-2008, 04:08 PM
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the 'modern world' consisted of markets opening to liberal principles and existed due to US policy. Russia was forced to compete but couldnt due to its retarded political/economic model. With the world now consisting mostly of liberal market ideas the US had won the race. Yes the USSR collapsed by its internal policy, but it is the structure of the world economy that put the condition that the USSR had to adapt to in the first place.
and in a bipolar world it is not that far fetched to see the one that kills itself as the loser and therefore the other as a winner.
and China is just beginning with opening up, tolerating millionaires and elements that go against a communist idea of society. it is also seeing more uprisings in the west now, they might not overthrow the government but it is an implication of the fact that china is not as single an entity it likes to think it is.
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Okay. 
(I thought I'd quote your whole post, like you did mine to reply with my one-word answer.)
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03-30-2008, 04:11 PM
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Um, well, Rome lasted a thousand years! I guess they knew a thing or two about how to run an empire...
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you talk about rome ~ what the hell does rome have to do with this.
we are talking about the united states of amnesia, and it's empire is already in decline probably won't last my lifetime.  |
03-30-2008, 04:15 PM
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Rush is an ultra-conservative talk show host that while quite knowledgable...
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if he is so knowledgable then why is it in the main he only takes calls from his dito heads. just once i would like to see limbaugh go head to head, and not where he has control of the venue, with someone who is knowledgable and disagrees with him ~ how about on global warming |
03-30-2008, 04:48 PM
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you talk about rome ~ what the hell does rome have to do with this.
we are talking about the united states of amnesia, and it's empire is already in decline probably won't last my lifetime. |
Empire? the US isn't an Empire, lol. Iraq won't be the 51st state. here is the Official Definition of Empire.
1. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
2. The territory included in such a unit.
Who is the US the "Supreme Authority" of?
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"If the first amendment doesn't work, the second amendment will." - Michael Badnarik
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03-30-2008, 05:27 PM
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Empire? the US isn't an Empire, lol. Iraq won't be the 51st state. here is the Official Definition of Empire.
1. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
2. The territory included in such a unit.
Who is the US the "Supreme Authority" of?
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Alaska, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, Hawaii, Indian Reservations, American Soma, Bikini Atoll (what is left of it). |
03-30-2008, 05:36 PM
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Alaska, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, Hawaii, Indian Reservations, American Soma, Bikini Atoll (what is left of it).
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Alaska and Hawaii are states, they don't count. They have full participation in the US government. The others you mentioned have run there own government outside of the US. Saying the US is an Empire because we have territories, is like saying we are an empire because we have states.
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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."- Ronald Reagan
"If the first amendment doesn't work, the second amendment will." - Michael Badnarik
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03-30-2008, 05:54 PM
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Empire? the US isn't an Empire, lol. Iraq won't be the 51st state.
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That's not what retired CIA Chalmers Johnson thinks. He has written several books and has said in lectures covered by C-SPAN (that I caught) as well as in the excellent documentary film Why We Fight, that America is indeed an empire. He even points out that America has 725 military bases all around the world in 130 foreign countries as well as a number of covert bases that aren't in that number of 725. He says that America is indeed an empire. It's an empire on the sly, not in the open, but an empire nonetheless.
See the Why We Fight website (below) and watch the film's trailer. Then go inside the site and check out several video excerpts from this excellent documentary.
Why We Fight (2005) - A Film By Eugene Jarecki
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03-30-2008, 06:09 PM
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Okay.
(I thought I'd quote your whole post, like you did mine to reply with my one-word answer.) |
im so sorry i cut part of your post and used only what i deemed relevant for my reply. i will only quote your whole posts now that im aware of your sensitivity. |
03-30-2008, 06:26 PM
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you talk about rome ~ what the hell does rome have to do with this.
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What the hell does Rome have to do with this? Well...
A) The Founding Fathers were schooled in the Classics and were intimately familiar with ancient Rome and Greece. They modeled the fledgeling new nation on Rome. Look at American architecture. Look at the Congress -- it has a House chamber and a Senate chamber like Rome did.
B) America is an empire. 725 military bases in 130 foreign countries.
C) You've heard of the Pax Romana (Roman Peace)? There have been books written on the Pax Americana (American Peace). Basically what this is about is that the U.S.'s dominance in the world translates to it being the World Cop On The Beat maintaining law and order -- at least prior to Dubya's and the neo-cons' disastrous fiascoes committed under their watch.
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03-30-2008, 06:40 PM
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im so sorry i cut part of your post and used only what i deemed relevant for my reply. i will only quote your whole posts now that im aware of your sensitivity.
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Go right ahead, The Frying Dutchman. Make the threads UNNECCESARILY LONGER. Feel free, Mr. Spiteful! I just think it's a very stupid thing to do to quote my entire post, that was just above your post (not several pages back), and then make a short rebuttal.
At least what I do is take parts of an entire post and break it up and address those parts individually so that it's clear to what I'm referring my rebuttals to. Not you though. You and many others like you, UNNECCESARILY quote everything. Why? What good is that except stretch out a thread's pages further and further out and makes redundant what the fuck was just said?!!!
Do as you want, but "entire post quoting" is just stupid. Especially if the quoted post is long! And extra-especially stupid if the post being quoted is still on the same page and just above the rebuttal post.
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