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Old 03-23-2008, 08:26 PM
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Old 03-24-2008, 05:57 PM
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Numero Uno; Place Term Limits on Elected Officials and Ferederal Judges.

Make Elected Officials and Federal Judges subject to recall by popular vote.

Create Federal Departments and Agencies that are held accountable for lax or not enforcing Federal Law altogether.

Add a National Referendum to create a Constitutional Amendment requiring a Balanced Budget.

Initiate Laws requiring Businesses to pay their fair share of Taxes as well as persons working for wages.

Initiate punitive measures upon Foreign Nations that will not extradite criminals back to the US, for whatever reason.

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Old 03-24-2008, 06:33 PM
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Numero Uno; Place Term Limits on Elected Officials and Ferederal Judges.
Requires a Constitutional amendment.

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Make Elected Officials and Federal Judges subject to recall by popular vote.
Requires a Constitutional amendment.

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Create Federal Departments and Agencies that are held accountable for lax or not enforcing Federal Law altogether.
How about just getting rid of the agency that are lax or don't follow the law?

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Add a National Referendum to create a Constitutional Amendment requiring a Balanced Budget.
Constitutional amendments are not created or proposed by national referendums and aren't even voted on by the People.

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Initiate Laws requiring Businesses to pay their fair share of Taxes as well as persons working for wages.
All business taxes are passed on to the consumer. Define "fair" if you would. They are already paying the taxes they are responsible for paying under the law.

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Initiate punitive measures upon Foreign Nations that will not extradite criminals back to the US, for whatever reason.
If you have diplomatic relations with another country one of the very first treaties to be addressed is a mutual extradition treaty. If you do not have diplomatic relations with a nation don't blame them if they won't extradite to the United States, blame our own government.
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Old 03-24-2008, 07:16 PM
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Numero Uno; Place Term Limits on Elected Officials and Ferederal Judges.

Make Elected Officials and Federal Judges subject to recall by popular vote.

Create Federal Departments and Agencies that are held accountable for lax or not enforcing Federal Law altogether.

Add a National Referendum to create a Constitutional Amendment requiring a Balanced Budget.

Initiate Laws requiring Businesses to pay their fair share of Taxes as well as persons working for wages.

Initiate punitive measures upon Foreign Nations that will not extradite criminals back to the US, for whatever reason.

IMHO
Are we starting from scratch or working with what exists? Is this a dream or reality?
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Old 03-24-2008, 07:23 PM
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How about just getting rid of the agency that are lax or don't follow the law?
Like the Constitutionally enumerated DoD and DoJ?

Better idea: instead of eliminating or creating any departments, take the ones we have and make the people running them individually responsible for the ethical and cost-effective way the department and its sub-departments is run by using salary incentives and dis-incentives. The carrot and stick method might be pedestrian, but it has worked for many years.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:28 PM
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Requires a Constitutional amendment.



Requires a Constitutional amendment.



How about just getting rid of the agency that are lax or don't follow the law?



Constitutional amendments are not created or proposed by national referendums and aren't even voted on by the People.



All business taxes are passed on to the consumer. Define "fair" if you would. They are already paying the taxes they are responsible for paying under the law.



If you have diplomatic relations with another country one of the very first treaties to be addressed is a mutual extradition treaty. If you do not have diplomatic relations with a nation don't blame them if they won't extradite to the United States, blame our own government.
The Thread ask to help create a New Government, it doesn't mention existing Law or Constitutional Amendments.

Fair Taxes on Business? How about Business pay tax on earned income without loop holes that allow tax evasion. Sure they pay the business share of Soc. Sec. but little else.

The US already has diplomatic Relations with Mexico, but they refuse to send murderers back to the US to face death penalty. They simply do not respect US Law, Immigration included.

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Old 03-24-2008, 10:49 PM
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I'm pretty happy with the one we've got.

A few improvements wouldn't hurt, though.
  1. Publicly financed election campaigns. Would require Constitutional amendmendment, but would be well worth it. Also make the campaigns take place within no more than a 6-month time period.
  2. Eliminate corporate welfare (see #1).
  3. Get rid of electoral college.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:00 AM
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Get rid of electoral college.
Let's not be hasty...follow this link for a good read on how and why the electoral college come to be.
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Old 03-25-2008, 08:18 AM
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The Thread ask to help create a New Government, it doesn't mention existing Law or Constitutional Amendments.
The propositions put forward were merely revisions to our existing government which would be addressed by Constitutional Amendment. Do you suggest writing a new constitution from scratch?

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Fair Taxes on Business? How about Business pay tax on earned income without loop holes that allow tax evasion. Sure they pay the business share of Soc. Sec. but little else.
It is a fallacy of of the Left that corporations don't pay taxes. The owners of the corporation do pay taxes. Except for a small percentage of the annual profits reserved for expansion or investment, which the corporation does directly pay income taxes on, the majority of profits are distributed as stock dividends to the owners (stockholders) and they pay the income taxes on this income. The corporation pays income taxes on all net profit after distributions to the stockholders and the stockholders pay income taxes on the distributed profits.

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The US already has diplomatic Relations with Mexico, but they refuse to send murderers back to the US to face death penalty. They simply do not respect US Law, Immigration included.

IMHO
The extradition treaty with Mexico, as with all countries I am aware of, states that a person extradited cannot face a penalty that is not allowed in the extraditing country. Mexico, like most civilized countries, prohibits the death penalty therefore the death penalty cannot be applied to any person being extradited from Mexico. This is a treaty that the US agreed to so why is there an issue? There are no problems with extraditing a person from Mexico under the conditions of the treaty we have with them.
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Old 03-25-2008, 08:26 AM
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I'm pretty happy with the one we've got.

A few improvements wouldn't hurt, though.
  1. Publicly financed election campaigns. Would require Constitutional amendmendment, but would be well worth it. Also make the campaigns take place within no more than a 6-month time period.
  2. Eliminate corporate welfare (see #1).
  3. Get rid of electoral college.
1) Publicly financed campaigns restricts Freedom of Speech. If I, as a private individual, wish to support a candidate for office then I should be allowed to spend my money promoting that person. Freedom of speech is vital in keeping a democracy healthy.

2) We should eliminate all federal welfare, period.

3) The People do not elect the President, the States do. Generally speaking people have a gross misunderstanding of how a president is elected. Each State is given a number of Electorial College Members equal to their Congressional members. Each state then decides how those Electorial College Members are selected. The State Legisalture could select them, the governor could select them, the people could vote to select them, or they could even be selected by chance. It is left solely to the State to determine the selection process by the Constitution. People should understand this and actually try reading the Constitution.
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