Damn, another shooting in the US - Page 3 - Political Forum

presluc · #21 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaSea

And just how will gun dealers come to agree with what you say (and I agree) they should do? All or at least most of them, I mean - not just a few.
I would even ask for some way of documenting this new sense of responsibility too.

Well, I wished I had the answer to that one, unfornunatly I don't.
It would take someone with more intelligence than me to have a solution to that problem.
But don't be worried someone will step up to fix that problem.

TeaSea · #22 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaSea

And just how will gun dealers come to agree with what you say (and I agree) they should do? All or at least most of them, I mean - not just a few.
I would even ask for some way of documenting this new sense of responsibility too.

And as for the gun owners - sure they should be responsible - who would disagree with that? But what percentage of the adult Americans (let's just exclude the criminals entirely from this calculation) do you really think is responsible enough to own a firearm?
I mean, even if it's 95% - and I don't think it's anywhere near that many - the losses wrought by the irresponsible ones are just so disproportionatly huge that it's just not worth it.

TeaSea · #23 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by presluc

Well, I wished I had the answer to that one, unfornunatly I don't.
It would take someone with more intelligence than me to have a solution to that problem.
But don't be worried someone will step up to fix that problem.

They will be accused of espousing gun control.

presluc · #24 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaSea

They will be accused of espousing gun control.

If they can fix it where there is less assholes killing people who gives a damn.
Doesn't matter if this comes from some anti gun protesters or the great N.R.A.
Too many innocent people are being shot down in schools,malls,workplaces.

TeaSea · #25 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainMike

Teens today are bombarded with images of violence. If the movies they like aren't bad enough, check out their video games.

Then you have the "Leave Britney alone" sydrome. I guess teen melodrama has happened for many years, it is just now the melodrama plus no self control / limit setting equals teens thinking about cranking up the melodrama into being on the nightly news in some type of spectacular shooting spree.

The threshold that a teen (and to some extent the rest of us too) these days must clear to escape boredom has been raised very high by movies, TV, videogames, etc. They're not insane. They're empty.

TeaSea · #26 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by presluc

If they can fix it where there is less assholes killing people who gives a damn.
Doesn't matter if this comes from some anti gun protesters or the great N.R.A.
Too many innocent people are being shot down in schools,malls,workplaces.

Would someone tell me if the NRA has ever actually proposed any kind of way to fix this problem? It's a very big organization. Aren't there any smart (enough) people in it?

presluc · #27 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaSea

The threshold that a teen (and to some extent the rest of us too) these days must clear to escape boredom has been raised very high by movies, TV, videogames, etc. They're not insane. They're empty.

You think teenagers are the only ones that get fed up with bullshit.
You don't have to watch a movie to feel rage you do have to control it though,and a lot more than people think do the strong ones that is the week ones can't controll themself usually a bunch of whiners or punks.

presluc · #28 (**permalink**) 12-25-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

We know their insane because many of them leave video footage that the experts have analyzed and determined that their insane. In fact it is pretty well documented that the guy who fired at the mall had mental problems and the I recall the same being the case for the Virginia Tech shooter. One of two Columbine shooters was perfectly sane though, but he seems to be more of an exception then the rule.

How do we know their insane?
I mean they were walking around one minute, no body picked them up.
Then they shoot some innocent people now their insane?
Why because they had a "bad childhood", maybe somebody forgot to say hi this morning?
To that I say BULLSHIT.
It's the same dodge juvinile deliquents use.
When they rob the liquor store they're a man, when they kill the clerk they're a man.
They get caught and go to court,and "presto changeo" they become a "little boy" again.
These assholes go out and think "I know what I'm going to do "I'm going to kill innocent people after he's caught or dead everybody's going around saying he didn't know what he was doing, and "presto changeo" the piece of shit killer becomes "a sick man a poor individual with "problems"????

presluc · #29 (**permalink**) 12-26-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

I just explained that. Do you think you know better then the experts? Like I said it was already well documented that the Virginia Tech shooter and the mall shooter were mentally unstable so people clearly picked up on it. These incidents did not happen out of thin air.

I know someone who is probably schizophrenic right now. The doctors suspected as much and I had gave that diagnosis a year before, but they could not give a more thorough examination because there are no laws that force someone to receive psychiatric help unless done by court order.

Your opinion is dully noted however that doesn't change the facts.
And neither does the fact that mental illness has been on the back burner of American society for some time now.QUOTE
If a sane person makes fun of an insane person in public or in a mental intitution that would be considered rude would it not?]
However, after this insane person is dead along with innocent victums he's killed their name is plastered alover the news, which could be breeding more "insane" people or copycats.
And as far as Virginia tech this guy looked sane enough to buy two guns from a gun store. was his mental problems on file to gun salesmen?
Bottom line somebody fucked up?
The police, the psychriatrist, the gun dealer?QUOTE presluc;

Your comparison is irrelevant. The Virgnia Tech shooters and the mall shooter were all adults. Very young adults, but adults all the same. They weren't juveniles. Furthermore they did not commit murder to rob a liquor store, they went on a mindless killing spree and then killed themselves. They are not around to plead juvenile ignorance for their actions. Their insanity is by no means an attempt by me to belittle their actions or try to invoke sympathy for them. My point is that this is not an issue of being a morally bankrupt society as someone earlier stated. They were simply insane.

When the media paints killers {sane or insane} as victums and innocent people as not that important.
That is not only morally bankrupt, it is just plain WRONG

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presluc · #30 (**permalink**) 12-27-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rodog

Completely irrelevant. Your issues with the media and how they report killings has nothing to do with anything I said.

IRRELEVENT?
Can you say without any resevations that some of the killings that took place were not the result of a killer painted as a victum.
It is you who pointed out mental illness.
If a mentally disturbed person sees people getting killed and no retaliations against the killer what would that do if they were already mentally unstable?