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View Poll Results: Should marijuana be legal?
Yes 18 72.00%
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:37 PM
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No offense, but you haven't even put a dent into Mic's argument. As I stated earlier 40% of American's admit to having smoked marijuana at some point in their lives despite the fact that it is illegal. I think its safe to say that banning alcohol will deliver the same results it did in the 30's create mafia like organizations that will be empowered by their monopoly on an illegal substance. There are plenty of criminal organizations out there selling drugs throughout history with that kind of power. Did you see that new movie with Denzel Washington? True story.
Of course I didn't even make a dent!!! There is no way to make a dent!!! Everyone loves drugs, I guess I can't dispute that. Oh well... I came, I tried, I failed. Ah, well.
I still think they should all be illegal, professionally.
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Wow. No one's made the generalization yet? I'm both surprised and impressed.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:26 PM
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Lets look at it from an economic stand point. Who gives a shit if its harmful. There is so much crap out there that is bad for you that is perfectly legal. Worse then weed. Would it be smart economically to tax weed like cigs or alcohol?
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Would it be smart economically to tax weed like cigs or alcohol?
Yes it would. And for more reasons than simply cutting spending on the ‘war’ on drugs and gaining revenue through taxing it. See post 27 on page 3.
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No. No need for another drug on the market, especially one that is a pre-cursor to harder drugs.

How about if you are doing drugs just stop. There now that was tough!
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I’m surprised to hear this stance from you, being that your username is LessGovMrPrez.
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I’m surprised to hear this stance from you, being that your username is LessGovMrPrez.
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Yeah, but that's the point--the budget of the drug war has little to do with actual legalization/criminalization of the drugs themselves. Like he said, if you're on drugs, why don't you just stop doing them? Hmmm, it's easy... Drugs have no societal benefit, they've proven time and time and again to have negative impact on the people around the user... So the logical thing is for the users to simply stop. If users can't do the logical, reasonable and moral thing--by the context of this society, then someone has to, and if it's the government, sobeit. I don't like government control either, but our Constitution was put in place for a reason, and the rights, safety, and health of law-abiding citizens should be respected over the euphoric selfish pleasures of drug addicts. That's the bottom line here, the budget is simply how money is spent to deal with that collective problem. I don't deny that the funds are poorly budgeted, but legalization has nothing to do with how that money is spent.

Using the budget in an attempt to press for legalization or to convey the "benefits" for the legalization of one specific drug over any of the others is a very poor excuse because the budget and legalization can't sufficiently be correlated. Legalization/decriminalization is simply society saying "it's okay/not okay to do this according to law," whereas the programs such as the "war on drugs" focus funds to enforce the legal statutes--actually combating the problems--caused by addicts who don't understand the problems they cause. Yes, meth is a bigger problem than marijuana, but that sure as hell doesn't mean the government's just going to legalize marijuana... That's an absurd theory and it's illogical too. That only means society should simply make very slight re-arrangements to the budget of funds on the overall fight against these drugs that have no place in society to begin with. That's what it boils down here.

The people responsible for the money being spent are the people who continue to defy society's reasonable laws--that are set in place to preserve the safety, health, and rights of the American law-abiding populace. If spending money is what it takes to preserve the safety of law-abiding citizens/innocent nonusers and to protect the integrity of what the Constitution has always stood for, despite the blatant defiance of addicts, then that is what's going to have to be done. You can blame those drug addicts for that--not the government.
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No. No need for another drug on the market, especially one that is a pre-cursor to harder drugs.

How about if you are doing drugs just stop. There now that was tough!
Do you really think that keeping drugs illegal will keep them off the market? If you legalize it then I guarantee you crime would go down because the drug dealers would be out of business if you could go buy marijuana or cocaine at the local Rite Aid.
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Do you really think that keeping drugs illegal will keep them off the market? If you legalize it then I guarantee you crime would go down because the drug dealers would be out of business if you could go buy marijuana or cocaine at the local Rite Aid.
That's an awfully big "guarantee" for having no support to back it up with...

The Netherlands was the opposite scenario, by the way, and Japan was as well. So comparison would lead us to believe that the legal status of marijuana has little to do with crime rate and the black market as was shown (repeatedly) by this argument:

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Until 1965 the relative number of victims of murder and manslaughter was low: around 0.4 per 100 thousand inhabitants. Between 1965 and 1990 the number of victims rose sharply to around 1.2 per 100 thousand in 1990.
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A. Legalization is what causes crime--whether you deny it or not, that's a bit too remarkable of a coincidence to be considered pure coincidence, but interpret it as you will--there's no way to tell for sure.

otherwise...

B. Crime is purely cultural. If you deny conclusion A., conslusion B. is all that's left, and that's still a huge blow to your side of this debate. Pro-legalization advocates seem quick to blame crime rates--which only result from criminals anyway (aka people who commit crimes--drug abusers included, hmmm... irony...)--on prohibition, which is completely illogical, given that Japan has an even stricter prohibition than the US, and their crime rate is much lower than the US crime rate.
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That's an awfully big "guarantee" for having no support to back it up with...

The Netherlands was the opposite scenario, by the way, and Japan was as well. So comparison would lead us to believe that the legal status of marijuana has little to do with crime rate and the black market as was shown (repeatedly) by this argument:
I think if you check the possession, cultivation, and sales of marijuana is still illegal in the Netherlands.
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