TheKentuckian

What the hell is being taught in these schools today?

Do you people not even read "Animial Farm", "A Brave New World", or "Farenheit 451"? Maybe seen "Soylent Green"? A little Thomas Jefferson, even? Or the revolutions? Civics?!?

Is there not any inkling that you must ALWAYS question the system? It is your duty as a citizen. Citizen means rights and responsibilities. Responsibilities that are not just orders for drones to follow or to sacrifice your individuality, God given power of choice, and LIBERTY at the alter of some bizzare communal good.

This is the mind of a serf or a peasent. You my and I my friend, are Citizens.
When the goverment is no longer of and for us, then it is our obligation, not to follow it but to reclaim our LIBERTY.

Locke9-05

Oh for the love of God... spare me...

That post of yours just won the Straw Man of the Century Award. Congratulations, I bet you're proud of concocting such an ignorant mess of rhetoric. No, the law is not always right. No, I never said that. Yes, it's that "argument" of yours is foolish because it is based upon the complete and utter lie that I did say or think that. The law isn't always right. The law makes mistakes. The government makes mistakes. Sometimes the government is downright wrong. In this case, however the law is right, and there is no logical reason to believe otherwise. Perhaps you'd care to give me a few good reasons as to why you think the law is wrong in this specific case, instead of going off on some long winded, mind-numbingly boring and irrelevant tangent about virtually nothing in relation to this actual topic. What makes the law against marijuana wrong in your eyes? I want specifics and believe me, I'll refute them. If you can't do anything than blouse off about "oppression," "communism," "mindless compliance," etc, then you have no reason to continue posting here.

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"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-John F. Kennedy

"Education begins the gentleman, but reading, good company and reflection must finish him."
-John Locke

"What worries you, masters you."
-John Locke
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Locke9-05

Did you read any of those titles? Perhaps if you had, you might have realized that none of them are even remotely relevant to the debate in this topic.

Also, In a debate, one does not spout off such mindless, useless rhetoric lest one is wishing to swiftly be put in one's place, so to speak. Put forth some actual talking points relevant to this issue and support them with research, your condescending and unsupported rhetoric is very irritating.
Question? Yes. Defy? Not necessarily. There's a difference between foolish defiance and courageous defiance. You have yet to justify smoking marijuana despite it being illegal as courageous defiance. And I guarantee you it can't reasonably be done.
The only thing that preserves the rights you're blousing off about is the very government you're criticizing. Without the government, your rights are nothing more than words. Without a government, there's nothing to stop someone bigger than you from stealing from you. There's nothing to stop someone bigger than you from killing you. That's anarchy and it's foolish. It doesn't work. The citizens need the government just as much as the government needs citizens. It's an even balance. The government is what gives meaning to the very rights you continue to complain about and without it, those rights would be meaningless.

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"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-John F. Kennedy

"Education begins the gentleman, but reading, good company and reflection must finish him."
-John Locke

"What worries you, masters you."
-John Locke
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TheKentuckian

I believe the books are important to the conversation because the lessons in them appear to have nearly completely failed to make any impact on your view of goverment and it's role in deciding who we are and how we live.
These titles speak directly to an apparent difference in views on the role and limits of goverment.

That we should have no need to prove the net gain to the collective for anything to be legal. That goverment's goals should be to protect us from outside danger and each other, indeed it's self. but not from ourselves.

The argument is not the value of the substance, which circumstantially would have limited data from independant sources to support it, if such a case was fact. Politics have a way of suppressing and filtering data and comprehensive research to ascertain such data are not encouraged or finaced.

The argument is simply, that until I do something that hurts someone else, that it doesn't matter to you or the goverment what I do from eating a 1100 cupcakes, to going for a run, to smoking a bowl, or playing yatzee for hours at a time. It is when I step on someone else's toes, that there is an issue.

Find a case where someone is harmed but there would be no law without substances being illegal. That is all the REASON a free man needs for something to not be illegal.

I have never espoused that their be no goverment, it is not my fault you cannot seperate a goverment that has very limited power to interfer with your self determination to none at all.

Goverment is not some wonderful thing but rather a nessecery yoke. It is my point of view that every little bit of power ceded to the goverment for the common good must be done only when there are required by need and for only the duration of the need.

All laws must demonstrate why they are needed, not the reverse. Anti marijuna laws exist but there is nothing that supports their existence but the laws themselves. The only practical reason for prohibitions is to legislate morality and I am against the spirit of such thoughts.

That's not rhetoric but true belief in the limits of goverment. No stats or studies needed.