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Troianii · #11 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MountainMike

I wouldn't mind some type of college course or debate to seriously get people thinking about their own personal biases. Many of those biases are really habits you don't even challenge. However, I don't think "All Whites are Racist" is a good advertisement for that type of debate.

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Originally Posted by micfranklin

What the outline should've been:

RACE 101: "A study of racism, it's history, and how to combat it in the real world"

I'm not sure about that because, while I completely agree with the sentiment, it is indoctrinating our common beleifs. What if we take your name for the course and replace racism with "atheism", or "Communism", or "Socialism", or "Big Government"? Would you support for such classes depend on your own opinion of such sentiments?

But honestly I have little problem with such classes, as long as they are electives that are in no way required for any course and are paid for by the students themselves.

Viv · #12 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 06:57 AM

Sigh...I thought it was flaming from a new wacko

Did the course have any merit in challenging racist beliefs though?

BellaDonna · #13 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 02:27 PM

According to the original article:

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She said included among the school's teaching resources was the following: "A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. 'The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination….

Believe it or not, some people feel that the terms "white" and "racist" are synonymous. And if the word "racist" is defined as white people, then sure enough, you can say that all racists are white. And that it is impossible for blacks to be racist. But ONLY if you define racist as such.

In most people's minds, though, the word "racist" has a very different definition. And no one is exempt from or immune to it.

In some circles, a white person who genuinely believes in equality will be termed as even "more racist" than those who are blatant about it because he will be said to be in denial of his own racism, simply because he is white.

Sad but true.

misalign · #14 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Reminds me of those stories ,in the US, about somebody outside of prison trying to break out somebody that's in prison. I always wonder what kind of person thinks they can get away with it.

Oregon Elephant · #15 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by misalign

Reminds me of those stories ,in the US, about somebody outside of prison trying to break out somebody that's in prison. I always wonder what kind of person thinks they can get away with it.

They actually have a TV show about that. Called Prison Break. However it did start as the person that was on the outside of prison, diliberately broke the law to get in prison so he could break his brother out.

Viv · #16 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaDonna

According to the original article:

Believe it or not, some people feel that the terms "white" and "racist" are synonymous. And if the word "racist" is defined as white people, then sure enough, you can say that all racists are white. And that it is impossible for blacks to be racist. But ONLY if you define racist as such.

In most people's minds, though, the word "racist" has a very different definition. And no one is exempt from or immune to it.

In some circles, a white person who genuinely believes in equality will be termed as even "more racist" than those who are blatant about it because he will be said to be in denial of his own racism, simply because he is white.

Sad but true.

So you can't win. So long as you're white, you're racist.
Then if you say you don't care, that is a fault as well...because you're supposed to care.
What does that type of circle expect of a white person? What is their idea of a white person who is taking the "correct and acceptable" approach to racism issues? Or is there no acceptable white person?

Oregon Elephant · #17 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaDonna

According to the original article:

Believe it or not, some people feel that the terms "white" and "racist" are synonymous. And if the word "racist" is defined as white people, then sure enough, you can say that all racists are white. And that it is impossible for blacks to be racist. But ONLY if you define racist as such.

In most people's minds, though, the word "racist" has a very different definition. And no one is exempt from or immune to it.

In some circles, a white person who genuinely believes in equality will be termed as even "more racist" than those who are blatant about it because he will be said to be in denial of his own racism, simply because he is white. Sad but true.

What bugs me most about this, is that these people apparently would rather a white person being openly racist than to be nice to minorities.

micfranklin · #18 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Troianii

I'm not sure about that because, while I completely agree with the sentiment, it is indoctrinating our common beleifs. What if we take your name for the course and replace racism with "atheism", or "Communism", or "Socialism", or "Big Government"? Would you support for such classes depend on your own opinion of such sentiments?

But honestly I have little problem with such classes, as long as they are electives that are in no way required for any course and are paid for by the students themselves.

Well actually I do see your point in this. Of course for communism, socialism, and big government, aren't those already covered in political science courses?

Troianii · #19 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaDonna

According to the original article:

Believe it or not, some people feel that the terms "white" and "racist" are synonymous. And if the word "racist" is defined as white people, then sure enough, you can say that all racists are white. And that it is impossible for blacks to be racist. But ONLY if you define racist as such.

In most people's minds, though, the word "racist" has a very different definition. And no one is exempt from or immune to it.

In some circles, a white person who genuinely believes in equality will be termed as even "more racist" than those who are blatant about it because he will be said to be in denial of his own racism, simply because he is white.

Sad but true.

Some people think that, it's sad, but true. Some people are flaming idiots: it's sad, but true.

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Originally Posted by micfranklin

Well actually I do see your point in this. Of course for communism, socialism, and big government, aren't those already covered in political science courses?

Political Science courses will usually cover topics such as communism, socialism, and big government very lightly, but I don't think that they really indoctrinate any ideas about them. In the political science course that I took, with a fairly moderate teacher (thank God, because 98% of high school teachers here are wicked liberal) we barely covered thsoe topics, and there was no real teaching or even discussion of whether they were good or bad, just that they were. Granted, I'm in a blue blue state.

The Libertarian · #20 (**permalink**) 11-17-2007, 01:00 PM

There is an alarming amount of race talk on this forum. The more you point out differences in race, ethnicity, the more problems arise.