Anyways im willing to challenge anyone and dare prove to me homosexuality is natural,its already not part of natural selection and as for homosexuality in animal is caused by humans why?Animals do everything based on instinict and to maintain surivival which includes reproduction.

Anyways let me post the natural selection defintion

Natural selection is the process by which favorable traits that are heritable become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable traits that are heritable become less common. Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes.

Natural selection is based on reproduction for the specie to pass on to the next specie but homosexuality obviously doesnt cause reproduction,so obviously it isnt against natural selection and goes against natural selection doesn it?

And oh yeah NO researchers have found ANY homosexual gene(and you can search it up yourself).

This study found NO homosexuality gene

No "homosexual gene" can be found, new study says.

"There is no evidence for the "gay gene" that a study claims to have found.
BBC World Service's John Newell: Is this research needed?

Previous research suggested that male homosexuality is passed on from mother to son.

But the new work, covering more people, aims to show that the particular genetic features implicated are no more common in gay men than would be expected.

"Because our study was larger than the original one, we certainly had adequate power to detect a genetic effect as large as was reported in that study," said the team from the University of Western Ontario in the journal, Science."

Now since homosexuality isnt genetic and it is based on environmental this makes me question if it is natural,and as for homosexuality in animals I have to question that aswell.

For animals they go by instinicts and survival so why would a animal be invovled in a homosexual relationship knowing it wont help the animal reproduce or help it maintain surival?

Seems like homosexuality in animals is a theory,but if it does exist then it exists because man has made animal goe against nature's will of what animal instincit is.

Most studies (all that I have seen) regarding gay animals, have forced the animals to be gay. Keeping a bunch of males together, with no isolation and no females, until they do something regarded as homosexual.

Neither is scuba diving.

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I'd say gays are natural in so far as anything can be called "natural." All biological human conditions can be regarded as "natural." With genes, there is a lot of randomization. Why don't you look the exact same as your brother? How come you are both not the same height and weight? That is because there is some randomization involved when people reproduce.

I think that some people are born gay and others choose to be gay.


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I would disagree with the "born" aspect. Homosexuallity isn't in the Genes, it can't be genetic and a choice. You don't have some people that are born with down syndrome and other that chose to have down syndrome.

From my expirences and individual research, I believe that homosexuallity is just a sexual curiosity. The percentage of people in the age group of 18 - 25 is vastly larger than that of 55+ age group. The younger age group is also much more abundant of sexual curiosity. Changing partners every other week, trying different things to see what they like, and homosexuality is one of the things that many of them try to see if they like it.

If Homosexuallity was genetic, than when the US began to except it, the older people that were naturally gay would come out, because back when they were young, it was greatly frowned upon (to say the least), so they would have to hide it.

Well I know from working AIDS clinics, where gay people were the majority, I would have to say it is not genetic at all. Most of the gay people who came in there were starved for attention. They would try and shock you with their stories and "flame".

What about diabetes? Some are born with it, others give it to themselves. You just picked a random disease and said that because that's not genetic, then homosexuality is not genetic. It doesn't logically follow that because one condition is not chosen by preference that therefore ALL possible human conditions are not chosen by preference.

I think that the persistence of homosexuality despite the heavy ostracism and disgrace that people heap upon homosexuals indicates that some people are born gay. As well as closet gays who have families but go and have sex in a men's restroom. Why would a married man with children go out and have gay sex covertly? It's obviously not for attention, since it is by definition secret sex. You could say it's curiousity, but then wouldn't one be curious about doing something one is biologically inclined to do? I've never ate shit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to try some out of curiousity.


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Well I think you just described a mental disorder or a disease. If the married man is doing it covertly then he knows it is wrong to begin with. So either he is a sex addict/pedophile or is sick in the head.

Well sure you think it is a mental disorder or disease, as well as immoral, but that is not logical disproof that it is not driven by a biological impulse as well. If you want to call it a disease, even then you are implicitly admitting it is biological (although of course with the negative word choice, but biological nonetheless).

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