Homosexuality is NOT natural. - Page 4 - Political Forum

LessGovMrPrez · 10-30-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by africanhope

Sorry, of to bed now. I just o not understand.

I sked why does it matter wheter you are born gay, or choose to be gay. You replied that it matters because it is shoved down your throat by the left. But what you then mention has nothing to do with being born gay or chosing to be gay. It is about the actions of certain people and certain homosexual and heterosexual people, but not because of the way people are gay., or the reasons for being gay.

And on the matters you raised, they are for another thread (and probably was discussed on other threads before) so I will not go into it here.

AH

Ok, it has been made an issue by the left. The left made it important by calling people names simply b/c they wouldn't accept gays, like the boy scouts, who believe it or not dont accept girls either *GASP*. The left is the reason "gay rights" are front and center.

To me I could care less if you are gay.

iTaliAN_ICe · 10-30-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LessGovMrPrez

They black ball the boy scouts for not accepting gays, it is a private organization.

A private organization that receives public funding. They also don't allow atheists or agnostics to join as scouts or leaders. The government providing them with funds and privileged access to governmental resources is a violation of the first amendment.

choclosteve · 10-30-2007, 05:42 PM

I recall mention in some of these primate studies info about naturally occurring homosexuality amongst th great apes and chipanzies. Interesting that about the mated male geese parenting. The world seems to be struggling with both too many people as well as too many geese. They sure are messy. Too bad we can't simply teach them to be gay

Oregon Elephant · 10-30-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

A private organization that receives public funding. They also don't allow atheists or agnostics to join as scouts or leaders. The government providing them with funds and privileged access to governmental resources is a violation of the first amendment.

Sorry, but it's not against the first amendment. It is against the first amendment to place religion in with the government and intertwine the two as one. The government giving money to a religious organization doesn't break any amendments. Just like it doesn't break the first amendment when Athiests meet in a building funded by the government, or anything else.

Miltiades · 10-30-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

A private organization that receives public funding. They also don't allow atheists or agnostics to join as scouts or leaders. The government providing them with funds and privileged access to governmental resources is a violation of the first amendment.

are you getting at Atheism being another religion? It means you have NO religion so your statment is ill informed and false. Simple missunderstanding no doubt

Oregon Elephant · 10-30-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Miltiades

are you getting at Atheism being another religion? It means you have NO religion so your statment is ill informed and false. Simple missunderstanding no doubt

Sorry, but it is a religion, or at least so that the government recognizes it as one. It's not "NO religion," but the disbelief of a God or Governing power. But that is all in another thread (several others actually).

Miltiades · 10-30-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Sorry, but it is a religion, or at least so that the government recognizes it as one. It's not "NO religion," but the disbelief of a God or Governing power. But that is all in another thread (several others actually).

that makes no sense...My religion is science....

I know it is concidered a religion, but im questioning WHY...back to subject

BellaDonna · 10-30-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LessGovMrPrez

In that bit you displayed, there was no homosexual behavior.

Can you do more than read the snippet and look at the pictures? The part I posted shows that heterosexuality and homosexuality are HUMAN constructs that don't exist in the animal world.

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From male killer whales that ride the dorsal fin of another male to female bonobos that rub their genitals together, the animal kingdom tolerates all kinds of lifestyles. [...]"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition.

I'm not going to post the entire article here. If you want to know about it, read it. If not, continue in ignorance. Here are more articles:

Gay Animals

Homosexual Activity Among Animals

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But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

There are many sources that document such activity.

Oregon Elephant · 10-30-2007, 07:24 PM

I read the whole thing and it is totally bogus. The Roy and Silo example... In 2005 the two split up and Silo is in a relationship with... a female, where there are other males there, he choses a girl. The two were batchlor's because there were more male than female. The point is, that they call any interaction between two males as homosexual to try and convince others that it is natural.

Seer · 10-30-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I'd say gays are natural in so far as anything can be called "natural." All biological human conditions can be regarded as "natural." With genes, there is a lot of randomization. Why don't you look the exact same as your brother? How come you are both not the same height and weight? That is because there is some randomization involved when people reproduce.

I think that some people are born gay and others choose to be gay.

WEB

I don’t think I could describe my point of view better than WEB already has (including other posts he made after this one on this thread).