Does not seem strange to me that the rate of homosexuality is the same for humans as it is for sheep. We are both part of the same creation, and so it is only natural that there are some common characteristics

Why is there such a hang up about homosexuality? Frankly, why should I or anyone else be upset because two people of the same gender happen to have sex with each other? That does not threaten me or anyone else. I have friends who happen to be gay. We enjoy each other's company and have great discussions on a wide range of issues. I know that they will be there to help if I needed them - and I will be there for them. Folks, there are much more important issues that we should be dealing with rather than wasting our time and energy peaking under the covers of consenting adults.

can anyone really call them selves natural, i my self am gay and i think i that i am another human being not a freak of nature!!

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Okay, this is not natural. The page count says this is a 39 page topic, but I can't get to page 39. It stops at page 32.

I have not read all 32 (39?) pages of this topic, so I hope I am forgiven if I repeat any points. I just joined the forum yesterday.

1. A "gay gene". Where's the "heterosexual gene"? Anyone?

2. When did you "decide" to be straight, or did it just occur naturally when you one day noticed that your teacher Miss Jones had a nice ass?

3. The idea that homosexuality is "not natural" seems to carry the implication that because it isn't natural, it is wrong. Well, let me tell you, there are lots of things that are natural that are wrong. Eating the young, matricide, patricide, eating feces. These are all things we see in nature on a massive scale. We see mulitple mates in nature. Lots and lots of promiscuity.

4. It certainly isn't normal to be gay. It isn't normal to be a five foot tall man, either. So what? It isn't like one is a choice and the other isn't, and that is all that matters. I wouldn't put one of those "You Must Be This Tall To Ride" signs outside a marriage license bureau, would I?

5. What is the current divorce rate, something like 50 percent or so? And then we see regular reports of politicians stepping out on their wifes with other women, hookers, and even other men! We see PREACHERS cheating on their wives. We see ordinary men and women fooling around on their spouses by the millions. And this ginormous erosion of the institution of marriage is somehow the fault of GAYS? Please explain that one to me in small words.

post's deleted for insults or going against the forum rules are deleted and result in the phantom pages that are showing up, ur not really missing anything other then insults and ignorance, i believe W.E.B puts these into a thread i n the recylce bin but im not sure

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Humans are sapient, and thus do not rely on imprinted instinct to make decisions, the only thing that can be unnatural for humans is if there is a genetic abnormality, or marked mental illness.

Fifty years ago (and among some still today) sex between a black woman and a white man was deemed unnatural.

This is no longer the case.

The driving force in nature is to spread ones DNA, this is not the driving force in humanity. SO you can not use that as a "why it is not natural" defense. The individual in humanity defines his or her own driving force.

If you want to try to say that it is, then you also have to say that sex without the desire to reproduce is unnatural. As neither apply to homosexuals (by your own admission) they can not be unnatural.

If you look at the other "sapient like" creatures in nature, you will find similar behavior.

Next question please!

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Ah. Thank you for clearing that up!

i heard this arguement that in cultures that allowed Homosexuality there were no homos proving that gay is by choice.

i recon the guy who said this is the greates guy the world has ever known for the "gay is not by choice" argument.

-in a world ruled by homofobes gays just try to suppress it. this means they have kids, and their kids have kids and so on.
-so instead of the "gay gean/trait" going out of the gean pool the very people trying to stomp it out are spreading it around.

i'm in full favour of gay rights but the idear of 2 guys totaly discusts me to the point where i feel like throwing up. i'm mature enough to GROW SOME BALLS and just ignor it when i see to guys kissing or i see a gay club.

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I'm with you - what's the difference? I guess I've always been open. Maybe it has to do with upbringing - I was lucky to be raised to not have these sorts of hangups. Why this continues just drives me nuts. I wish that in my lifetime we will see this issue become close to nil, but sadly, probably not. Just to add - I'm glad I don't live in one of the "Red States".

we can take that same logic with diabetes. saying that over weight people are not genetic and just want attention.

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