And if it has not been found, it does not exist. Is that what you're saying?

It seems like it's a theory, huh? Interesting.

Homosexuality in Animals

And you are here to tell us that homosexuality is "unnatural"? So is wearing clothing, using cleaning products and religion. Just about everything we do is "unnatural".

I do not buy the premise that homosexuality is unnatural, but so what if it is? What is the conclusion?

I heard that if one is in the market for a ram to service his ewes, you better check that he does not prefer other rams, as some 10% or so do. Seems to happen naturally. I wonder if that % is different between romneys vs merinos? How about dogs and sheep or cattle and humans?

I would say just as many, in percentage, hetero sexual people are molested as children, so it is irelevent then, isn't it?

About hte story, you missed the point on why I was telling it. HE had to admit there is no proof that it isn't genetic, just as there is no clear proof that it is. He's dissmisal of homosexuality being genetic, was not based on science at the end of the day, but based on his subjective reading of science, and as that subjective view changed, so his opninion changed. Which means, we just don't know, as science does not give a clear answer. Therefor we might have to look also to Social Science for a clue, which means listing to gay people themselves, who firmly believe they where born gay.

As I do not know how it matters, I think we should not waste valuable research dollars on this irrelvant question, when there is soooo much more vital questions that need to be answerd, a cure for AIDS for instance.

And please explain how the left is forcing the fact that gays are born that way down your throat (maybe a bad choice of words?)

AH

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Choclo, Can't find the study right now but the % for huans is also 10%, strangely enough.

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In that bit you displayed, there was no homosexual behavior. Where was the homosexual behavior? A quarter of black swans are raised by 2 fathers makes them gay? How does squirting egg and sperm into the open ocean make that species gay? How does having both sex organs make that species gay?

Again, missing the point, I was still showing that all this research is not proving anything either way, and that it is really silly, and a huge waste of recources. Because what does it matter. (and did you read that I said I thought it was silly, just under the link?).

Anyhow Lessgov, I look forward to reading on how the idea that homosexuals are born that way is forced down your throat, and why we should not belive it when some gay people say they are born homosexual, and all that tomorow.

Unfortunatly it is very late right now, and I have a busy day again tomorow, so I will have to wait to tomorow before I read it!

HAve a good one all

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It doesn't. That was just a baised "news" artical trying to show that there are gay animals. A graffe rubbing his head against another male graffe doesn't make him gay, just like when a guy gives another guy a pat on the back for a good job doesn't make him gay. That artical was totally pointless.

The study with the Rams, isn't quite true. About 10% of Rams aren't gay, they're just very picking about their women and often will chose not to reproduce with most or any of the ewes. The same goes with stallions (about 2%), but the breeders get rid of the "picky" ones (not through killing, just selling them, usually after a little snip snip).

There is a movement in the US on the left to install gay people simply b/c they are gay. Turn on the TV during primetime and there will be at least 1 gay character in the show. It is all politically driven. They black ball the boy scouts for not accepting gays, it is a private organization. So places have kicked them out completely. If you say something about gays in general, like the Mayor of San Fransisco who broke the law when he started handing out marriage licenses to gays, then you are labeled a "homophobe", whatever that is.

That is what the left does, they brand you with some label and then use it so that they dont have to discuss the issue honestly with you. They just label you the "homopobe" and then from there on out whatever you say doesn't matter, you are just a hater.

Sorry, of to bed now. I just o not understand.

I sked why does it matter wheter you are born gay, or choose to be gay. You replied that it matters because it is shoved down your throat by the left. But what you then mention has nothing to do with being born gay or chosing to be gay. It is about the actions of certain people and certain homosexual and heterosexual people, but not because of the way people are gay., or the reasons for being gay.

And on the matters you raised, they are for another thread (and probably was discussed on other threads before) so I will not go into it here.

AH

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everything is natural, including arsenic and hemlock. Being natural doesn't always mean good for humans.

The thing about being gay is that if it were a genetic mutation, natural selection would have weeded it out long ago because gays don't reproduce but the percentage of gay people in any given population is always the same. Someone (God?) or something keeps putting gays back in the gene pool at the exact same percentage. Somebody explain that to me please cuz I dunno.

PS, If you're one of those people who thinks being gay is a choice...don't talk to me and I won't respond

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