Decrim of Marijuana (part 4) - Page 7 - Political Forum

HenryDavidThoreau · 10-25-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Caffine pills have a use over and beyond that of personal enjoyment. They are used to keep you awake and focused.

It is easy for a non-user to say it is only use is for personal enjoyment, but I can assure you that when used responsibly cannabis can have therapeutic purposes.

My point still stands with the Caffeine/cannabis comparison, the majority is not punished for the actions of a minority.

Oregon Elephant · 10-25-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HenryDavidThoreau

But the majority is not punished for the actions of a minority.

Because the benefit is greatly viewed as larger than the concequences. The same way we don't take away the right to have guns even though there are some that abuse it. But we don't allow Meth or Crack because of that reason.

Pros vs Cons

Locke9-05 · 10-25-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HenryDavidThoreau

But the majority is not punished for the actions of a minority.

That's because taking caffeine pills sharpens your senses. It's the complete opposite scenario of marijuana. Marijuana dulls the senses and influences the mind--through distorted perception, impaired cognition and other negative side-effects--and puts the health and safety of non-users at risk. It's the opposite case with caffeine.

Like Oregon Elephant just said, it's a scale of balance, and the cons of recreational marijuana use severely outweigh the pros--if there are any...

HenryDavidThoreau · 10-25-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Because the benefit is greatly viewed as larger than the concequences. The same way we don't take away the right to have guns even though there are some that abuse it. But we don't allow Meth or Crack because of that reason.

Pros vs Cons

Pure caffeine exhibits the same side effects and more than cannabis yet it is sold and regulated for adult consumption without serious consequence.

HenryDavidThoreau · 10-25-2007, 04:26 PM

Caffeine negative effects
NEGATIVE

* Increases anxiety and nervousness at high doses or in sensitive individuals [Lieberman 1992, Loke 1988]
* Insomnia, decreased ability to sleep [Smith 2002]
* Caffeine withdrawal can worsen mood [Schuh 1997]
* Caffeine withdrawal causes headaches, flu-like symptoms, feelings of lethargy and reduces motivation [Schuh 1997]
* Increases jaw tension and bruxism [Erowid Self Reports 2000,

Seer · 10-25-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

I know that you didn't say that the drug made the benefitial people good. What I was implying is that even without the drug, they still would have been just as benefitial to society.

You are correct sir. I just thought I’d post it anyway.

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Originally Posted by HenryDavidThoreau

Coffee is not but caffeine sure is, caffeine pills are sold over the counter to the best of my knowledge and they have their share of overdoses, heart attacks, and psychotic side effects.

What I am trying to say is that it is sold to adults and it is not illegal because of the irresponsibility of a minority.

Oh God… this one time… I ate 11 caffeinated mints thinking that they weren’t that caffeinated and… boy did I go bat shit crazy. It gave me a bad headache after about 20 minuets too... at least it felt good for the first 20 minuets.

But I think that a better substance you could use for your argument. It’s called Salvia. Salvia is completely legal, you can buy it over the counter, and is far, far more potent than marijuana.

Salvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to see the effects of salvia on a person just type it into Youtube. There will be hundreds of videos of people smoking it and then getting extremely high for a bit.

Another substance that would be better for your argument would be nitrous oxide otherwise known as laughing gas. You can get it at any adult store. They sell you little bottles of nitrous, a cracker, and a balloon.

Nitrous oxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HenryDavidThoreau · 10-25-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer

You are correct sir. I just thought I’d post it anyway.

Oh God… this one time… I ate 11 caffeinated mints thinking that they weren’t that caffeinated and… boy did I go bat shit crazy. But I think that a better substance you could use for your argument. It’s called Salvia. Salvia is completely legal, you can buy it over the counter, and is far, far more potent than marijuana.

Salvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to see the effects of salvia on a person just type it into Youtube. There will be hundreds of videos of people smoking it and then getting extremely high for a bit.

Another substance that would be better for your argument would be nitrous oxide otherwise known as laughing gas. You can get it at any adult store. They sell you little bottles of nitrous, a cracker, and a balloon.

Nitrous oxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know about all drugs and these drugs will not be good for my argument since salvia will be schedule 1 in a few years (even though it does not meet the three requirements for a drug to be schedule 1) and N02 has many non-drug purposes.

Seer · 10-25-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HenryDavidThoreau

I know about all drugs and these drugs will not be good for my argument since salvia will be schedule 1 in a few years and N02 has many non-drug purposes.

Just as a disclaimer, I’m not interested in doing either of them. I just remembered that both were legal and could be sold with the intent to use as a recreational drug. They are also far worse that marijuana when it comes down to how damaging it is to the brain and how it makes people act.

Oregon Elephant · 10-25-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HenryDavidThoreau

Caffeine negative effects
NEGATIVE

* Increases anxiety and nervousness at high doses or in sensitive individuals [Lieberman 1992, Loke 1988]
* Insomnia, decreased ability to sleep [Smith 2002]
* Caffeine withdrawal can worsen mood [Schuh 1997]
* Caffeine withdrawal causes headaches, flu-like symptoms, feelings of lethargy and reduces motivation [Schuh 1997]
* Increases jaw tension and bruxism [Erowid Self Reports 2000,

Only one of the negative side effects counts. Insomnia isn't a side effect, it is the main effect. Caffine pills are suppose to keep you awake and sharp. Thats like saying a negative side effect of sleeping pills is they make you sleepy and you can't stay awake.

These are clearly different side effects than those of Pot. Thanks for saving me research.

HenryDavidThoreau · 10-25-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer

Just as a disclaimer, I’m not interested in doing either of them. I just remembered that both were legal and could be sold with the intent to use as a recreational drug. They are also far worse that marijuana when it comes down to how damaging it is to the brain and how it makes people act.

N20 has the potential to be a highly addictive drug and in it's street form pure N20 can harm the brain and body. When it is used in a medical setting it is diluted with oxygen. Saliva is a natural substance and I am not sure of its negative effects but I know it does not meet any of the three requirments for a drug to be schedule 1.

This brings me to my next arguement, now that cannabis has accepted medical applications than do you opposing legalization/decriminalization believe it should be lowered to a lower drug schedule?