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Everything has some medical benefit, even cutting yourself.
How?
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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant
The thing with pot, is there are so many safer and more efficent ways of producing the same benefit, which is why in many places it is not used.
Like what?
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In most cases where it is used, it is only used to save the doctors money, because other better pain killers (the reason my step father in law, I guess you'd call him that, has it) are more expensive.
Exactly patients that use cannabis consume less opiate derived pain killers during pain treatment. It grows in the ground, it is cheaper than something that is made in a lab. Sythetic THC is price comes down to $10 bucks a pill. It aslo is not as effective and has more side effects than the natural source.
Cutting your self causes the brain to release hormones to minimise the feeling of pain, it can cause other pain (like that of a broken leg, or anything else) to be erased in the background.
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Like what?
Give me a list of benefits, and I'll give you a list of other drugs that work just as effectively.
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Exactly patients that use cannabis consume less opiate derived pain killers during pain treatment. It grows in the ground, it is cheaper than something that is made in a lab. Sythetic THC is price comes down to $10 bucks a pill. It aslo is not as effective and has more side effects than the natural source.
You're medication shouldn't be compramised by the cost. You shouldn't just get "good enough" to save the doctor some money.
Give me a list of benefits, and I'll give you a list of other drugs that work just as effectively.
It still does not grant cannabis schedule 1 status. Here is a small list of ailments that cannabis shows evidence of providing relief: epilepsy, glacoma, MS, wasting syndrome, as well as many rare conditions with no other treatment.
Watch out! It looks like the scientific community doesn’t have a consensus on the subject. Here is a professional who thinks ADD could be treated with the Devil’s plant.
And those meth-like drugs they give kids now are so safe?
Marijuana is smoked with no filter and it is held in the lungs, this means that one joint, causes more damage than one cigarette (of the same size).
This is, of course, highly misleading and represents an irrational argument. While true on the surface it is false in reality. Today's pot is typically way to strong to smoke an entire joint and even if someone did it does not compare to cigarettes smoking because people aren't smoking 20-40 joints per day.
Although I brought up medicinal marijuana previously (and was quickly and rudely chastised for being off topic) it really isn't a relevant point when it comes to ending the prohibition of a relatively benign plant by the government based initially on racial bias.
The fact remains that tens of millions of people are smoking marijuana with apparently no ill side effects. Yes, there is a very small minority that do experience unpleasant side effects but they can easily quit as tens of millions have in the past. That is a positive about marijuana in that if it doesn't agree with an individual for any reason it is easy to stop using. Not being physically addictive allows anyone to quit cold turkey at anytime.
No it can make people not able to fall asleep long after the drug has worn off, that is a side effect.
I have never heard this before. Considering I have been around potheads for over 40 years it is strange that not a single one has ever complained about not being able to go to sleep after the high wears off.
I stand corrected. My wife reminded me that some people with sleeping problems use marijuana as an aid in getting to sleep. In their situation to discontinue it would lead to problems in getting to sleep.
I think this is rare but I have to admit that it is true.
I have never heard this before. Considering I have been around potheads for over 40 years it is strange that not a single one has ever complained about not being able to go to sleep after the high wears off.
This is a side effect of pure caffeine or caffeine pills.
Watch out! It looks like the scientific community doesn’t have a consensus on the subject. Here is a professional who thinks ADD could be treated with the Devil’s plant.
And those meth-like drugs they give kids now are so safe?
A professional? Hah! Really? When Olbermann asked her why she thinks marijuana may help with ADD, her answer was:
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"Well... That's what patients reported to me... so I listened--to them, and I started paying attention and asking more questions when I did patient interviews..."
That's not the response of a professional, a professional is the one who has the answers. Patients seek the help of professionals--because professionals are supposed to know what they're doing. This lady, on the other hand, sounds as if she's relying on her patients to tell her what works and what doesn't...
She's advocating medical marijuana because her patients tell her that it works. That's not how the field of medicine is supposed to work. She gave no facts related to how cannabis affects the brain in relation to ADD, she basically said "my patients told me it works, so that must mean it's true."
In no way is her testimony credible or reliable... That video "argument" only hurt your position.
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Although I brought up medicinal marijuana previously (and was quickly and rudely chastised for being off topic) it really isn't a relevant point when it comes to ending the prohibition of a relatively benign plant by the government based initially on racial bias.
It's not a matter of being "rudely" chastised, it's a matter of this being a debate, you diverting from the original topic more than once--in light of the fact that we had already established the topic--and me calling you out on it. It's a debate, I'm going to call you out for irrelevant tangents, sources, etc. You're free to do the same, although I try my best to be meticulous and thorough about the content I post.
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The fact remains that tens of millions of people are smoking marijuana with apparently no ill side effects.
The fact remains that you're shooting off these ultimate suppositions with figures that you've failed to back up. It doesn't work like that. Guess what, I can do what you just did. Here's mine:
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Originally Posted by Locke9-05
The fact remains that marijuana's a shit plant and that 2 bazillion people are going insane up the yin yang because of it.
See how that doesn't quite work? Support your "statements" with facts, or I'll start matching them with equally--probably more so, actually--absurd suppositions of my own just to show you how pointless an argument without backing really is.
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Yes, there is a very small minority that do experience unpleasant side effects but they can easily quit as tens of millions have in the past.
Does the foundation of your position on this debate consist entirely of opinionated suppositions? You can't hope to pass of those figures you throw out randomly off as legitimate. We've already proved to you that the side effects of marijuana affect people on a very wide scale, now you're just ignoring the evidence and posting opinionated suppositions as "counter-arguments."
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