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Old 08-08-2007, 12:43 AM
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Scribbler, were you the only one to comment re: Bill Cosby? Was it you who selected Bill Cosby?

I guess you must feel guilty. You term "race-baiting" reveals much. This thread is about the aforementioned GAP FACTS and how people try to avoid those obvious facts. To whatever extent such information is "race-baiting", well, you took the bait and, yet, didn't register a comment re: those GAP FACTS but felt compelled to make a comment about other posters, defying the nature of the very advice you would later so graciously give me.

And, yes. Your comments about the posters who allegedly called Cosby a race-traitor are indeed self-serving for you. That's clear in the tone of your remarks, if nothing else. But, go ahead, tell me how much you disagree(d) with Bill Cosby and his remarks re: (lower economic) Blacks/African-Americans.


List all your points of disagreement HERE ______________
I made one comment I thought was appropriate to this thread. You once again proceeded to imply I was in some full-blown debate with you, when I wasn't even addressing you. I was commenting to Tokie.

You can make of that comment whatever you already have.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:44 AM
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Name the other so-called "race-baiting" thread of mine. I dare you.
A dare, eh? Sorry, I don't play childish games.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:51 AM
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You didn't answer the questions:

Were you the only one to comment re: Bill Cosby? Was it you who selected Bill Cosby?


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Funny how that works. Funny how it's straight bs, too.

Funny how the guy who objects to editorializing comments because he didn't IMPLY a certain something referenced in the editorial is also the same guy who just ups and assumes what others IMPLY with no sense that he is being hypocritical, not to mention blatantly wrong in his assumptions.

Note: Had you answered the questions you wouldn't have told me what I already knew.

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Old 08-08-2007, 12:56 AM
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A dare, eh? Sorry, I don't play childish games.
In other words, you won't dispense with the nonsense you wrote. You have not commented on 2 of my threads, race-baiting or not. Be adult, admit it.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:05 AM
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Re: Scribbler's odd "Race Baiting" charge card


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Old 08-08-2007, 01:39 AM
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"It will take many decades, at the rate we're going, to make any substantial progress toward closing the wealth gap."


Wealth Gap Widens For Blacks, Hispanics (washingtonpost.com)

One major reason that gap has proven so intractable, economists and historians say, is that wealth begets wealth...

Homes that appreciate in value give families growing equity that can be used to secure loans to send their children to college, cover emergency costs and provide a source of wealth that can be tapped in retirement or passed on to the next generation.
It must be noted that:

by 2052, an estimated $40.6 trillion will change hands as Baby Boomers and their parents pass on their accumulated assets to their heirs.

Baby Boomer Wealth Transfer

Once again, Baby Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 - right in the heart of America's Segregation Era.



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How does geography do the work of Jim Crow laws?

In the 1940s and 1950s the whole country was living in central cities or in rural areas. Suburbs as we know them hadn't come into existence. There was a tremendous demand for housing at the end of World War II, and the federal government stepped into the breach, and stepped into the role of addressing the demand for housing, as it also stepped into the role of addressing the demand for civil rights and inclusion by blacks.

In creating the suburbs it was explicit that the suburbs were for whites only...

The structure of that is still what we're living with today...


What were the consequences of this new housing policy?

One of the consequences of creating these new home ownerships for millions of white Americans while redlining black America was to create wealth in a racialized way...

So whites moving to the suburb were being subsidized in an accumulation of wealth, while blacks were being divested. As a result, there's a huge wealth differential between blacks and whites in this country that's largely associated with housing. The majority of Americans have their wealth in housing, and because the housing stock was so incredibly racialized, it created tremendous wealth in the white population and very little wealth in the black population.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Background Readings | PBS
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:22 AM
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In other words, you won't dispense with the nonsense you wrote. You have not commented on 2 of my threads, race-baiting or not. Be adult, admit it.
If you've noticed, I don't comment to YOU at all. I'm only posting this because you personalized it with me. I stopped engaging in race discussions in forums before you even got here. Do NOT attempt to define me or my thinking and/or opinions based on a single sentence. That's dishonest and a pathetic example of trying to create something that isn't there.
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The true hinderence to minority success is the systemic racism still in existence in our very forms of governence, economics, education and judicial systems.

The myth that somehow minorities need to behave any differently than white people do in order to enjoy equality goes against our very constitution and the standards and ethics our country was founded on. To believe that systemic racism can be challenged and undone through the behaviors of minorities is to believe that a cracked engine block can be fixed by sending the driver through a defensive driving course. It's illogical on the face of it.

The reason these type of arguments are offered when it comes to discussing the gap between what minorities have acheived (despite the odds against them) and what whites have achieved (bolstered by the privelege of their skin colo) is to protect white people from having to recognize or relinquish the benefits they recieve from just being born the correct skin color in a society that rewards their skin color.

To say that blacks would need to stop having babies out of wedlock if they want to gain success is to hold black people to a different standard then we do the millions of white parents who have children out of wedlock. It also ignores the historic and factual systemic racism that forced the working poor to remain unmarried or to get divorced if they wanted to feed their children, which disproportionately effected minorites due to the racieal disparities in income, justice and education that still happen to this very day.

That is just one issue raised on these threads. The same could be said of any of the other issues: such as the belief that black people are uneducated because they want to be. How many white "slackers" are still living off of mommy and daddy?

To believe that blacks or minorities are any different, any "less" human in their behaviors than white people, and chalk up systemic racism to that alleged difference is to posit from a very uninformed, conditioned and unthinking position.

The cause of this gap is systemic racism, not any behaviors on behalf of those that are harmed by the racism, but rather on the behaviors of those that support the continuance of systemic racism and the abolishment of any policies or procedures enacted to combat the same.
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:04 PM
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If you've noticed, I don't comment to YOU at all.
If you notice: you just got caught in one of your lies.... AGAIN!


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People talk on these forums. That's what they're there for. If you have an issue with people saying things not up to your standards of agreement I suggest a mirror instead of a forum.
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So, we're back in the past again, eh?
Have you ever been told you can't change the past? Exactly what do you hope to gain from rehashing the events of a long time ago over and over again? You'll never "reach" anyone who is a racist and this only turns off those people who are on your side.


Now, name the 1st and 2nd "race-baiting thread" of mine in which you "injected a simple comment..."

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Old 08-08-2007, 08:29 PM
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To say that blacks would need to stop having babies out of wedlock if they want to gain success is to hold black people to a different standard then we do the millions of white parents who have children out of wedlock. It also ignores the historic and factual systemic racism that forced the working poor to remain unmarried or to get divorced....
Interesting comment. Those comments also often ignore was seems to be no net effect that OOWB's have on the overall Black poverty rate. One would think the two - OOWB's and overall Black Poverty - would correlate. From what I've seen, they don't.

Those who make the OOWB argument often note how they skyrocketed after the 60's or so. Well, during the same time overall Black poverty went down. It appears that success, at least for Blacks, isn't that closely correlated to OOWB's.

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Black Poverty during that time span went in the opposite direction and certainly didn't skyrocket or rise in a manner like OOWB's.
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