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Old 08-09-2007, 12:34 PM
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I apologize. I thought you were speaking generally in the JOE scenerio. Yes he will probably still get from wal-mart and sell to kids. But I bet the bulk of his business right now is from adults. And if he was religated to just selling to kids then he may not stay in the business. I do not however think that keeping it illegal is anyway keeping it out of kids hands.
So let me just get something straight here. How many different kinds of drugs are you in favor of legalizing?

Weed? Cocaine? Heroin? Ecstasy? Crystal-meth?


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Old 08-09-2007, 12:37 PM
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It's like abortion: their bodies = their choices. If they want to fuck themselves up with coke and meth, then let them. Most people, including minors, who want drugs will get them, law or no law.
Well I'm just going to universally disagree with you that people should be abandoned to their own human folly. I find it disgusting to just make available to people things which would destroy them.


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So should we prohibit tobacco and alcohol?
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So should we prohibit tobacco and alcohol?
Alcohol, no. That experiment didnt' work.

Tobacco will be very rarely used in the U.S. in 100 yrs. The percentage of smokers has dropped by 50% in the last 40 yrs or so.
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Exactly. Granted Meth is probably a lot more addictive than nicotine, but I don't see why one line of thinking should apply in some cases and not to others. If we can use the "Its my body and my life" argument for abortion, alcohol, and tobacco I don't see why that line of thinking wouldn't apply outside of those issues.
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No prohibition on alcohol. As for tobacco, just make sure that people who smoke it only kill themselves and not others with their second-hand smoke.


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Exactly. Granted Meth is probably a lot more addictive than nicotine, but I don't see why one line of thinking should apply in some cases and not to others. If we can use the "Its my body and my life" argument for abortion, alcohol, and tobacco I don't see why that line of thinking wouldn't apply outside of those issues.
I don't know much about meth, but it seems to be the scourge of poor white communities. I just can't see how the scourge of a group of people is something that people should legally allow and facilitate.


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Old 08-09-2007, 02:46 PM
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I know this goes against your line of reason, but the way I see it is like this. They're doing it anyways. If they want to ruin their lives then I'm not going to stop them. I think we would do better to spend the money on enforcement and imprisonment on rehabilitation..... if they want it that is. We'd save a ton of money and our law enforcement could focus on real criminals. Anyways, if someone is stupid enough to get addicted to meth then maybe we'd be better off with out them. Assuming of coarse they kill themselves with it. At least they'll die doing what they love.
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:54 PM
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Anyways, if someone is stupid enough to get addicted to meth then maybe we'd be better off with out them.
I will not even attempt to argue against your comment because of this. I see no point. We seem to have a fundamental difference in the value we place on the lives of other people. You have a "fuck em" attitude towards weaker people, I do not.


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Old 08-09-2007, 03:05 PM
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Well I'm just going to universally disagree with you that people should be abandoned to their own human folly. I find it disgusting to just make available to people things which would destroy them.


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So uh, what about alcohol? Surely drinking too much of that is more deadly than weed would ever be.

And it's still Prohibition: it didn't work with alcohol in the 1920's and it won't work now. Some people never learn.
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