Xibit

Yes. "People like me"... People like me who don't buy into your idea of what they should be doing/saying. Yes, I can see how you've learned but, for some reason, YOU TRIED THAT BS with me anyway.


You will only cease to show your TRUE COLORS when you pose these asinine questions to "people like you." I wonder how it is that only "people like me" are supposed to be "hoping to gain" something or hoping to "reach" someone (racists even).

I'm wondering how come "people like you" or whatever people you believe to be "on my side" haven't been seen trying to "reach" the racist(s) yourself. I'm wondering how come that's not your mission since you apparently think it is important.

I'm wondering why you showed your TRUE COLORS so quick. I mean, here you were waxing paternally telling me the problems you saw with what you saw or assumed was my purpose for posting in this thread or on this topic. A purpose (showing your true colors) that you obviously haven't assigned to anyone else, particularly "people like you."

But I guess.... *ahem* COLOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.


(Okay. So I expect to see this speech directed to posters here without respect to "color" or what position they hold.)

Scribbler1

Take a breath there, pal. I don't know who you're directing all this righteous indignation at, but all I said was ONE comment about taxes affecting Blacks and Whites equally. A point you responded to, incidentally, by dragging up the GI Bill and demanding how I can justify the fact that Blacks didn't get a say in it.
That's all I said, and then you jumped on your soap box demanding I respond to a lot of bullshit I never even brought up. And now you're angry because I don't want to get sucked into your fight with Italian Ice.

And you never did answer the question of what you expect to gain by all this bluster aimed at me. No matter. It's much too hot out to stand in the town square yelling at passers-by, I suppose.

Now, why don't you redirect that anger back at Italian Ice I'll say a pleasant good evening to you.

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Xibit

I just know you're going to keep evading the issue and you're not going to present any facts that AA is what you've tried to suggest that it is.

There you go avoiding the issue again. How does AA (that's what you call yourself talking about right?) qualify or unqualify on the basis of skin color - the only thing you've talked about - when WHITE WOMEN BENEFIT FROM AA (and White men, too)?

I'll keep asking for as long as you keep avoiding. I can slam dunk with the best of them.


Shouldn't you be about proving that AA is what you've suggested?


No my argument has and does not. I've been especially clear that it is incumbent upon THE GOVERNMENT to correct the racial inequality.

Plus my (initial) argument has been that ICE's "gap will close" notion was blatantly false and impossible. That was a argument based on math and nothing else. Now was his math correct or not?


And??? (place your stereotypes and assorted bs here)



What I said is clear: It is incumbent on the government to correct the racial inequality.

Now present facts that show how AA gives "minorities" advantages over Whites in a society when Whites are in no wise getting not getting advantages.


Okay. Am I supposed to be a problem with that? It sure would help if you had some facts to show how AA is what you've suggested/claim. Now we're on this idiotic adventure where you don't even know the destination.


You got to love someone who says some bs like that.


Your point? And what does that have to do with AA?
I mean, that 70% of Blacks with "WHITE IN THEM" would work against your advantages-over theory.


Relevance? All that we have ever talked about and the complete and total context is all about HERE in these United States.


Oh! It's the "Black people ya'll asking for too much" when you speak about having the RACIAL INEQUALITY corrected. Okay. How dare people speak about getting rid of RACIAL INEQUALITY!!! What was I ever thinking of.

iTaliAN_ICe

Don't flatter yourself.

What are you babbling about? Are you telling me you can't prove my responsibility for segregation and slavery? What a surprise...

Xibit

AA success rate for who? WHITE WOMEN? Is that what you're calling RACE-BASED discrimination?


But you mentioned that AA is race-based. How exactly is that so? Based on WHAT race? Which races?
WHITE (WOMEN), BLACKS, etc? Which race, Rodog? Which skin color?

When did WHITE women, the White women you "mentioned", cease to be... ah... WHITE? See, I'm trying to figure out where you get that race-based bs from when you... ah... "mentioned" White women.


You reason for this reference? A dictionary reference doesn't prove that the practice-policy of AA is racial-discrimination. Whites aren't excluded from AA. These are the facts vs. your obfuscation:



Stupid question. Respond to what I said earlier:

So we all get to control where and who our taxes go to? Okay! Down with majority rule!!

Unless you're really going to deal with that fundamental issue then you can put to rest your "discrimination" angle.


And you can no more prove the relevance of that statement than ICE can prove the gap will close on it's own. You will note that I never said AA would close the gap. So you can no more talk to me until you are prepared.


Hmmm... Well, let's have you post, post-after-post about how colorblindness is not the solution then get back to me on the relevance of the part where you put AA and solution in the same sentence when talking to me.

I never said and nothing I ever suggested ever gave the impression that AA is "the solution." AA is anemic, at best. But that was never the point in what I argued. I already explained it and it was rather clear. Clear enough for you to invoke the name of reparations. So I'm trying to figure out the source of your disconnect.


Ha! Ha! (insert the next hilarious emotional ploy here)

I REPEAT: All that we have ever talked about and the complete and total context is all about HERE in these United States.

Nevermind how you wish that bs would have worked. Just bring your argument back to the states.


Okay. Thanks for sharing your value system.


Hmmm.... When did you see me list a dollar amount on something? YOU are putting words in my mouth that just aren't there.


The only time I said anything even closely related to money was when I responded to something you said and talked about taxes. And even then I talked about CONTROL over taxes, since you wanted to grant that license to Whites who basically want control over their taxes - the ability to dictate who and what they go to - when it comes to AA or reparations or whatever. Now leave your stereotypes ("money") out of this.

Or you can quote where I said the government should give me money. I stated: It is incumbent on the government to correct the racial inequality. So tell me where you come up with "government give you" out of what I've actually said. Forget your stereoTYPES. Type what I said and show how you came up with that "give money" bs.


Damn you're good. You know what will and what won't always exist. But on that reduction part, nothing in your statements illustrated how you support reducing it. You're against race-based AA, remember?

So tell me how RACIAL INEQUALITY is going to be reduced when the only thing you've come up with is class-based AA, so to speak which won't do a damn thing about RACIAL INEQUALITY. Not unless you're with this group that's suggesting that.... in effect:

"hites have stopped running." (When you know that sh-t ain't true.)

You can no more prove that class-based AA would reduce RACIAL INEQUALITY than ICE can prove that the gap will close on it's own. Matter of fact, you're proposing damn near the same thing.

It's a real simple idea and equations have simple rules. Whatever value you add/subtract from one side must in turn by added/subtracted from the other side to make things equal. When there is already an IMBALANCE (and an imbalance that's increasing all the time), adding/subtracting the same value to each said AFTER the imbalance is establish does do anything to correct or reduce the imbalance.

It's real simple math.

FRYandBENDER

This is ridiculous. The topic of the thread is how a group of white people made an all white scholarship to point out the fact that race based scholarships are discriminatory. A quality that is "supposed" to be frowned upon. So the sentence that you point out in the above qote couldn't be anymore about the issue. This whole thread you've been trying to dictate where the thread went and what was talked about. You have kept your posts away from the fact that using race as a determining factor in who recieves a scholarship, or a job, is IN FACT discriminatory. So much so that a poster has resorted to showing you the definition of the word, to prove to you so you would know what the thread is about. And the "you people" complaint is lame. He wasn't talking about (Oh my God) all black people. He was talking about people LIKE you!!!!!! People that make accusations like this

when you know nothing about that guy. Highly laughable from a guy that, when discussing ideas on what black people could do to have better lives (work, study, etc.), postured that a poster was making assuptions of "who" that guy is. As if the comment was aimed directly at him. No, sir, black people are not "you people", not my friends anyways. "You poeple" can be white, black, male, or female. Their discriminating quality is that they like to pick fights with people for the hell of it.


Thread closed.

I hope you continue to post here, but this thread is getting way too aggressive. I hope that the parties involved, including myself, can either conciously avoid the posters we disagree with, or we can discuss matters without making unfounded, ridiculous accusations. He could have worked for every penny he has. THAT is a very personal insult.

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