Saav

My question is whether or not it's realistic to desire such separate states in a world that becoming more internationally interactive. This question came to me when reading Ron Paul's policy on the WTO, UN and other international organizations.

Issues - American Independence and Sovereignty

I agree with him that the officials to such organizations should be elected, but the idea that we should be interacting internationally but following more and more separate rules seems logically wrong and over-complicated. My question is: Would it be so hard to live in a world where we had a weak international government? Is the fear of inevitably losing our freedom in such a world a realistic one?

Comments on this theoretically or in relation to history/issues woudl be appreciated!

REAL

The world couldnt become an international government. There are too many different views on government for countries to band together like that.

Brother Oz

I think it would be a good thing (as long as it was democratic) but it simply won't happen. The big powers wouldn't like it, the dictators wouldn't like it, the nationalist wouldn't like it...

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Mover

A world government would inevitably become a tyranny. On that basis, I think it will never happen, nor should it happen.

As far as Dr Paul, he is correct. No independent nation should willingly give up it's sovereignity.

Brother Oz

What makes you say that?

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Mover

Generally speaking, the history of the world. When a system becomes too large and diverse, it becomes impersonal. When systems become impersonal, people stop being invested in the core values. When that happens, authoritarians take charge and start making rules that limit freedoms. And the rest is history.

If you care to look, it is happening today...but people aren't paying very much attention.

REAL

great point, i guess the simplest thing we could look at for proof is the catholic church and the power it has had, lost, and still has

REAL

...and america

Public_Enemy

I think in the future, a world government is possible, there would be more personnel rights but less democratic rights..
Lets check it, everything runs on the basic economy principle, integrity of markets is creating a serious surplus.. This surplus turn to voters as welfare, turn to business cycles as more profits.. The first two step on general integration of markets almost achieved, Free movement of goods and free movement of money.. customs tariffs are not serious barriers anymore and has been lifting day by day, you can send your money and invest almost in everywhere in the world... There comes labor markets integrity and it would automatically trigger political integrity. Because when people freely move to where they can find jobs or get a life, they will bring their problems to their new home. So , any source of problem in even on the other side of the world would effect the rest.. So states couldn't solve their problems alone, their responsibility would be beyond of their soils. Nowadays we are facing some of this fact and people piss off about it. Social problems, clashes of civilization etc.. But it is unavoidable, nobody would give up the surplus that integrity brings.. this is a process, this is the evolution of the mankind and it wouldn't be pain free..

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