A good post, I salute you sir.

Thanks for the compliment.

It seemed to apply to some of what is going on today.

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You are a bit inprecise. We were talking about theories. Now you suddenly talk exclusively about practical applications. In how can a lack of practical applications be the fault of theoratical scienctists. Just to put that straight, you need both groups of scientists, the theoratical ones and the practical ones. The former lead to no real hard results for humans, but the latter can't make new practical inventions without the theoratical basis the former ones create.

We talked about theories before. Theories are the clear domain of theoratical scientists. You claimed they are doing not much more than producing hot steam and no mentionworty work on anything of importance is going on in the field of theories anymore.
I claimed this to be not the case and have listed a certain number of example from the top of my head.

I tell you something, the theoratical basis for fuel cells exists already for 100 years. It was just no need until a few decades ago to develope efficient applications. This is the case for many key technologies of the future, lets say the basic theories already exist for quite a while, in certain fields major new progress however made it possible to look at it from entirely new perspectives, or on the other side, new need created new demands for new applications.

But what do you demand from the practical scientists and ingeering teams? Miracels? Than you should better stick to religion. Because look how long it took when one means of transport replaced another one as dominant. How long did it take? Its not like those people would be lazy asses, its simply not that easy to make perfect motors for example. The Otto motor is now about 100 years old and still is getting improved. Not to talk about how long it took until it was an effecient tool really superior to the alternatives.
If you take the examples of hydrogen powered cars, we are currently in the stage when the first small serious cars are ready to enter the street (NOT prototypes, thats a major difference of at least 10 years). The basic problems of hydrogen power remains however: Its a secondary energy source, ie needs to be produced out of an primary one. Where to take that one from?

Again, if you expect miracels science should be not your field of interest.

Regarding AIDS. Do you have an idea of how sophisticated the HI virus is? Its such a tiny piece, scientists know hardly anything on earth better from an molecular level upwards than the HI virus. Thanks to their effort of the last twenty years. They would not have been in a lack of attempts to attack it, and in fact if you look at it openminded, science has succeeded already to come up with some weapons against AIDS. If applied it turns HIV from a death judgement into a chronical deases. Do you have an idea how hard this alone already was?

The HI virus is a highly mutant virus. Its in fact superior to most other viruses in terms of mutation rate. If you have problems to image what that means a comparision: Image you have to create a key that keeps opening a door with a lock that changes every day. Thats the task of the scientists and they deserve at least not to be target of hate for it.

Its actually you who lectures me how worthless scientists are nowadays. I simply try to oppose this lecture.

No it doesnt show the good, it only shows the spectacular. Sometimes thats the same, but sometimes not.

That might apply for a certain number of scientists in the practical field, I lack to see how it could be true that much for theoratical scientists like the ones at CERN. And even where it is true, scientists are often victims of the circumstances. I mean they need resources and money for their research. That doesn't mean they will betray their principles for it (most of them at least) but it means of course where the money is, will be more research. Not because scientists would be so bad people, but because noone could pay for the immense costs of scientific research alone anymore. At last the scientists.

Your last sentence simply disqualifies you. I would hope you take it back. Its simply a very severe insult towards anyone who has anything to do with scientific work.


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I am neither an expert in working in a factory, nor in scientific research. But I have some personal experiences from both. I have worked a certain time in a factory, for a year in a hospital and now I am studying on an University. I have seen both sides I dare to say, and I would never ever discard the hard and honest work workers do in factories day in day out. Thats why it hurts me how you discredit so easily the work of all scientists. No they dont work that hard physically, but thats not their job either, they have other problems, their work is exhaustive as well often enough. And it isn't that easy to do it either, otherwise everyone could do it.

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"you need both groups of sceintist theoratical ones and practical ones"
Well, sombody dropped the ball.
Why do you single me out for being the only one who discredit the sceintist and what they have done or lets say accomplished?
You may have worked in a factory, you may have worked in a hospital, you in all probability will graduate from University.
However when it comes to the working class and the poor and the streets you may need help.
This is how a majority of American people see today's theory makers {that write books and give lectures, this is how the people of the street see todays sceintist {that write books and give lectures} and go on news channels to announce to the American people "we are on the brink"?
This Sceintist and Theoratical era has been "on the brink" so long they should start pitching tents.
As for my discredit of the accomplishments made by this sceintific and theoratical of this time.
Try asking the average guy thats slugging it out a low paying dead end job, try asking the single mother working as a waitress full time and has a part time job.
Ask what the sceice and theorys has done for them or ask what any accomplishments they've made.
And before you say they wouldn't understand forget it, they understand.
The differance is they deal in reality not hearsay and inuindos.
They deal in what is not what might be, maybe ,we're not sure.
They deal with here and now not "on the brink"
Sceintist and theory makers don't have the guts for that kind of life.
While at one time they were envied across the globe as risktakers they would put it all on the line.
Today some "theory maker has an idea" and then what it's run through a computer and then what?
Write a book ,give a lecture,hit the talk shows.
Want more proof, tha Japanese beat us with the low mpg transportation.
I predict if sceintist and theory makers of America does not start taking chances America will fall behind again on another discovery that will be in demand by the international population
Do not missunderstand I am not against technology if anything I don't think it's being used enough.
But you can have the best intellectual computer you can find, but if you don't take the risks it might as well be a paperweight

Maybe, but I did not discredid their work, you do so in regards to the work of many of those hard working theoretic scientists.

Its in the nature of the thing that theories as such do not benefit anyone, practical applications who base on them might do so. By the time those applications the theories lie already quite a time back. Normally people dont see the connection between theory and the technology they use.

How many diabetis patients thank molecular biology for the chance to handle their sickness as good as it is possible today?

Being theoratical scientist can be a rewarding job, within the scientific community where you will get the honor you deserve. But dont expect regular people will thank you much. Those scientists who become known outside of the scientific community before they die are an exception. Sometimes they are real capacities (like Einstein) but not necessarely. Perhaps they just are good in selfmarketing unlike many scientists.

Theoratical science often does not lead to another result than expanding knowledge without any possible new application. Thats the very nature of it. As you simply can not know before if what you will find out can be used practically. But one thing is for sure, those countries who appreciate the theoratical sciences nonetheless and gives them the resources that are needed, will succeed on the long term. Japan did so, it was not really to their harm.


Its Americas decission if it wants a strong domestic theoratical scientific branch, or not. I dont care about it honestly. Other countries will be happy to jump in and your scientists will be happy to continue working in another place where they get the resources they need.

What are you trying to tell me? That a factory worker understands the current status quo of theoratical science?

You are again only talking about practical applications. Theoratical scientists do not work on that. They lay the fundament. What you are talking about is not the fundament but if you like how the roof looks like.

Science needs its time, you have to realize this, and everyone who believes one could transform a new theory into a working machine within lets say eg 2 years is a daydreamer. Do you have an idea how long it takes to introduce a new drug, from the idea to the ready product on the market? Do you have an idea how much it costs due to the huge amount of work that needs to be done to get it ready?

Sorry if I might sound insultive, but you do not really know how the work of a theoratical scientist looks like, do you? Because what you wrote here does not have much to do with it at all.

Europe does so too. This has nothing to do with theoratical science. Its about practical appliation of well established theories. And about how American customers until lately gave a fuck about mpg... (otherwise your cars would be already for a long time more efficient and SUVs never would have come into existance)

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I'm not discredeting the sceintist work I'm mearly saying not enough of it is finished and some hasn't enen started. They seem to be in this loop of the big bang,DNA,and global warming or climate change depends on which side of politics you are on.
The factory worker may not understand the status quo of theoratical science,but a factory worker does know the differance between finishing a job and talking about finishing a job.
In short without common sence the highest scientist with the highest I.Q. WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER SLOB TALKIN AND TALKING AND TALKING.
WHAT GOOD IS THAT?
I KNOW THIS MAY NOT FIT INTO THEORATICAL SCIENCE,BUT I LEAVE WITH THE WORDS OF AN OLD ROCK&ROLL SONG.
"A LITTLE LESS TALK A LITTLE MORE ACTION PLEASE"