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06-19-2007, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Oz
What I wonder about is why it's so important to people. I don't know how the world began, and I don't care. I was taught evolution in my science lessons, but if I wasn't it wouldn't have been any loss. I don't see it as having any real benefits, especially compared to branches of science like medicine, chemistry, and so forth.
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Well, it's part of the human condition I beleive.
Most people think and wonder about "Why it's here ?" ( the universe ) and "How and why it all started and came from."
Not EVERYBODY gives a shit mind you, but MOST people at SOME point in life start to consider and think about it.
It's not a matter of IMPORTANCE. It's just a MATTER to think about, given the finite existence we play a short time as ACTORS in.
I predict that someday you might understand why it IS "so important to some people."
15 years ago, I had the same attitude as YOU do. Attitudes and people change over time. Deny that a change like this in yourself is possible (as I did) but it IS possible :-)
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06-20-2007, 06:48 AM
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WRT to the above post, somedays I think it about it more than others.
Some days, weeks, months, it doesn't even occur to me very often. Then there are days or a series of days where I will think about it and read about it. It may tie into some things going on in my life, but I've never noticed an obvious connection. Sometimes it can get downright depressing to think about.
Everyone is different, I suppose. Just depends on your life experiences. Maybe in ten years I'll change and won't give a shit, or maybe I'll become a Southern Baptist (plenty of those in Texas). Haha, either one is pretty unlikely I'd say, but I'm not ruling it out. 
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06-20-2007, 06:51 AM
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Oh jeez you didn't know that ?
Quote a newsmax peice to a liberal (remember liberal lil ?) and watch the head spin and the teeth turn to fangs
That's why I thought this writing from their editor in chief would be interesting. Of course they'll ignore it and bury it over ... well, you know where, so I didn't even bother putting it there I don't think. If I DID it's been long buried.
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Yeah, I was called some name by her once. Can't really remember which, if that says how much esteem I held her opinion in.
WRT NewsMax - that's the first 'run-in' I've had with them so far, and I thought it to be a good piece. 
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06-20-2007, 09:20 AM
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there HAs to be a seperation of church and state in my opinion.
look to history to reveal as to why that is important.
when my little girl asks about religion (any religion0 i tell her about that relogion. it is done in a fair and balanced way. i am particularly interested in cmparative religion and that is what i believe should be taught in school. Brother Oz made a very ood point as to why, in a multicultural society then it's a good idea to at least be aware of ettiquettes in dealing with people from other cultures/relogions.
the people that are trying to FORCE creationism in school need their heads read. the bible is NOT a historical document, Genisis 1 and Genisis 2 have DIFFERENT versions of the creation story. how is that science??... it's not
religious education is the responability of the parent who shpld teach their kids about it and/or send them to a place of worship to learn or a religious school.
what REALLY annoys me about the religious right who insist creationism is a "science" is that while they revile many scientific principles, they live in a world which is filled with the proof of the case of the side of science!
things such as "dinosaur fossils are put there to test our faith" makes me vomit!, such blatant ignorance cannot be allowed to prevail. it will only server to hamper progress and deny truth.
if th4 bible is to be taken so literally as to teach creationism as a science then why not also teach that the bible also says it's ok to stone disobedient children to death... it's also ok to sell your daughter into slavery, and that it's bad to go any where near a woman when she is at her erm..."time of the month", see how far you get with the poliewoman who is askign you question or the judge at court when yoiu are asked to approach the bench.......not very i hazzard a guess.
i my view i fully agree with a chap from america called george calrin who said there should be an 11th commandment..."thou shalt keep thy religion to thy self"
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06-20-2007, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pax-RFS
there HAs to be a seperation of church and state in my opinion.
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Depends on what you mean.
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i my view i fully agree with a chap from america called george calrin who said there should be an 11th commandment..."thou shalt keep thy religion to thy self"
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Carlin is full of himself. We have a right to worship as we see fit. If part of that worship involves other people hearing it, so be it. There is no right to not be offended by others.
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06-20-2007, 10:39 AM
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Most people think and wonder about "Why it's here ?" ( the universe ) and "How and why it all started and came from."
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Oh, I don't disagree that it's interesting, something that you might talk about, I just don't think there's any point teaching it in schools, as other areas of science are much more useful.
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things such as "dinosaur fossils are put there to test our faith" makes me vomit!
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Actually, Creationists say that Dinosaurs did exist, but they all died in the Flood.
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and that it's bad to go any where near a woman when she is at her erm..."time of the month"
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Hey, that's pretty sensible advice. 
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06-20-2007, 11:30 AM
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Lord of entropy
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Originally Posted by Brother Oz
Oh, I don't disagree that it's interesting, something that you might talk about, I just don't think there's any point teaching it in schools, as other areas of science are much more useful.
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Well, in ways I agree. Lets get kids well studied in things they really NEED to live in the world FIRST and FOREMOST. Things like math, sciences and reading/writing. If a kid is ahead and INTERESTED, let them take an extra credit CLASS in theology or specific religious studies or whatnot.
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Actually, Creationists say that Dinosaurs did exist, but they all died in the Flood.
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There are many different things creationists will tell us about what those big, weird bones are doing in the ground. Some more outlandish than others. It comes down to ones view on how what we know, and have discovered from the sciences fits with the questions of "Why is it here ? Why does it exist ? Why do WE exist ? For what reasons ?"
Because we know that the Earth isn't only 6,000 years old (or whatever number of years preacher X might tell you) doesn't mean that there is no God. Because we know that millions of years ago there were dinosaurs that could eat one of us in a single chomp doesn't mean that there can be no God.
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Hey, that's pretty sensible advice. 
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Seems to be. Seems like a good time to relocate to the vacation home in Australia. Or Canada (if you're in Australia) :-)
As close to the other side of the planet as one CAN LOL
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06-20-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ygorl
Yes, I'm on uspol
That's where I started :-)
I'm here too. Ygorl here, captain trips there.
Anyways, I can't (and never BOTHERED to) count how many times a liberal went apeshit or tried to suggest that my "source was consistently wrong, right wing bullshit." any time I posted a story linked to newsmax.
Unless it comes from a liberal friendly site, (like moveon.org) many liberals snort and huff and puff and try to dismiss it.
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Captain Trips? That's a new one on me. But I haven't been there since the winter.
You're a conservatives? I haven't been able to figure out your views frrom your posts.
I suppose that's good - keep them guessing....
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06-20-2007, 11:55 AM
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Sovereign
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas
Because both things have nothing to do with each other.
There exist classes for biology and classes for religion. Those things have not too much to do with each other. At least where I come from, and thats also the way I want it to have.
School is not democratic. Or when where the pupils the last time allowed to vote if they want to go to school?
As less as your police is. That does not hinder your state to be democratic nonetheless.
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In answer to your question.
Any student going to school will be exposed to and possibly taught religion and evolution befor they turn 12 yrs old at least that's the way it is where I come from.
So why not teach a proper form of Religion and a proper form of evolution.
Cause let's face facts some unsavory characters are using Religion as a form of making money and other things.I'm sure you've heard of Jim Jones and drink the kool aid {laced with syonide}
And evolutionist are not all upstanding citizens,some of them use the theory of evolution to make money and other things I sure you've heard of the mass suicide with the outfits and purple tennis shoes {aid to have been preparing to meet alein life forms}aka Sceintology, aka evolution.
It is true Students don't vote now, but a few when they turn voting age will.
Then their right to choose will be in their hands.
At least where I come from.
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06-20-2007, 12:02 PM
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Sovereign
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Originally Posted by Brother Oz
What I wonder about is why it's so important to people. I don't know how the world began, and I don't care. I was taught evolution in my science lessons, but if I wasn't it wouldn't have been any loss. I don't see it as having any real benefits, especially compared to branches of science like medicine, chemistry, and so forth.
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Faith is important, to me it is my faith in God.
To you it may be your faith in your intellectual capabilities or rational thought.
But to not have faith in anything.WELL.
Even atheist have faith in NOTHING,like it or not it is still FAITH.
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