Ceci

Respectfully, I just think that there are portion of white people who are too caught up in venting their spleen about Black folk. They repeat the same phrases with the same old, "I have a black friend, blah, blah, blah" nonsense. Then they fingerwag at non-white people for bringing up race equating them with "race hustlers". Then, they discuss how "race shouldn't be talked about" because it is "not that important".

It makes me fascinated how it is always the ones who "don't want to talk about race" appear to be the first respondents in saying "blacks blame the white man" and "blacks are victims". This is so because when you hear disparaging talk about non-white people (Blacks especially) repeated from the white pundits, reporters and news anchors over and over in response to any question related to race, then how else are you going to articulate this deep issue? People who vent their spleen retreat back to the Rushisms and the Seanisms without even trying to think for themselves. It's as if they speak from a script ("I don't see color". "I have a black friend". "You are making blanket statements", "We're all human beings here", "Black people are victims.", "Black people are blaming whites for everything") ad nauseum.

I'd be hard pressed if there is an original thought in there. But it's fine. Continue speaking from the script because this dismissive language has been studied, documented and known about linguistically, psychologically, culturally and sociologically. It has a theoretical basis.

When non-white people do bring up race and articulate their experiences, to some whites it is like a voyage into the heart of darkness.

Instead of ever dealing with the issues, too much is caught up in the dynamics of how white people are "beseiged" by all this "race talk" and how they are comforted by the token apologists who silently stand at their side.

Because of this, that's why race can't be honestly dealt with.

Sadly though, I still reiterate that there are white people in the world who do care and talk about race as honestly as non-white people. However, it is always a shame that we always end up discussing race with those "who don't want to talk about it" and not the white people who actually are kind and genuine. Thank goodness, they exist.

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I am sorry about Scribbler. It's unfortunate that he left.

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Nmaginate

SCRIBBLER did front and I pointed out exactly how the frontin' was done. OKAY???


No problem:

LIST ALL THE "PROBLEM OF BLACKS" and show how the idea holds true for whatever portion (a significant portion) of Black people who are believed to have "blamed the White man" - i.e. show how it holds true for a plurality or a (simple) majority or a vast majority of Black people. Show how that idea is even worth talking about - how it is statistically significant - if it even exists.

It's clear you understand now and had a chance to revise your post to include you observation about the grammar of my sentence and to strike out the part where you feigned ignorance about the challenge I laid out there.


And "let us move and discuss" your blindness issue and time-worn traditions and tactics (as in worn out):

Because you are so blind and have this problem with both seeing and discussing what I actually said, I'll use your own words.


WEB >>>> Dude, try a little less hard to manipulate language...

Nmag: "Black people today are not "responsible" for the social/racial disparities historical WHITE SUPREMACY, racism and discrimination created"

What part of that don't you understand, WEB?
What part of the CONTEXT of my remarks did you miss?

As you wish, the conversation is not about SCRIBBLER, it's about you and your blindness issues. The questions are simple and easy to answer. Try it:



What part of [the CONTEXT] did you not understand, WEB?
What part of the CONTEXT of my remarks did you miss?


I will just put it simply... LEARN HOW TO READ!


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Ceci

This is what stood out to me from Dr. Jensen's piece. He poses the question whether white people could recognize that society is "unjust".

It is rare for some white people to actually fathom that inequalities do exist in today's society without attributing this to guilt.

It is even more rare for some white people to understand what inequality has done to people of color. Along these lines, it is also more rare for the white person recognize that they have fully benefitted from the system.

And still it is the rarest thing for a white person to actually feel anything for the suffering the system has caused not only themselves but for non-white people.

So, it is a burden, in a way for white people. They've had four-hundred plus years of unearned benefits that were endorsed socially, legally and behaviorally. And now when these benefits have been called into question and confronted, the first thing to do is deny and deflect in order to not get in touch with their consciences. I think that if some white people had a choice, they would like for non-white people to play along with this denial in order for the system to stay in tact. Because if they ever vocalize this "burden" the weight of oppression that the dominant culture has caused would bear heavily on them to the point of it being overwhelming.

I think that it is easier for some white people to denigrate and snicker at the experiences of people of color instead of understanding the gravity of social disparity and race in America. In fact, some white people might want to snicker and vent their spleen because that is the only way they know how to talk about race.

Would white people who don't want to talk about race feel better venting one's spleen about Black people repeatedly? What is keeping them from their conscience regarding non-white people?

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Nmaginate,

I guess you forgot the part about the rules on civility when you hit the register button for this forum. Tell me to learn how to read again, or make another snide mark about it and you will receive a forum rules infraction. Oh and I don't want to hear that "blindness" shit either.


WEB

Nmaginate

GUILT IS AN INTERNAL EMOTION and is, therefore, USELESS for anyone besides the person feeling guilty.

CECI, I liked the distinction you made earlier. There is a difference between one's conscience and the consciousness that comes from it and guilt.

I'm convinced that anyone motivated to do something because of "guilt" vs. conscience/consciousness will do it for less than genuine reasons. IMO, it is conscience/consciousness that motivates people to do the "right" thing. Guilt, in that sense, like anger, is just a stage one may or may not go through on the way to consciousness and "make it right" action.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Not okay. I asked you to shut the hell up about Scribbler. Forum rules infraction awarded.


WEB

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Nmaginate, I think you need a little break from the forum. I'm giving you a day off. When a mod tells you to shut the hell up with your personal attacks, please do so.


WEB

panteth4h2o

You racist.

Bozo

Ceci, there are at least a few white people out who are not proud playing dumb little games and feeling superior by blaming others ('minorities'), because otherwise their life would be worthless.
If you imagine their life, people here on this board, living with double-standards, living in fear to be seen through.
They built their life on denial and dishonesty, and instead of appreciating, what they themselves could be as a human being, they are concentrated on what they are not - they are proud not to be "the other", they are trying to degrade. They don't see how much dependend they are on blaming others.

Bozo

@WEB
you should re-name your board: White Pride. That people like Fry, Scribbler and many others don't feel so interrupted.

ban yourself. But your board is already hijacked. And as Fry mentioned, this board is sponsored by ads. I won't support the shit here going on on this board with posting anymore.