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Old 04-03-2007, 08:09 AM   #51 (permalink)
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And here something entirely different. The best of socialist artwork I know in my town when it comes to figures. Its to be found at the Karl-Marx-Hof, the largest residential block in Vienna with a length of a whole kilometer. The block itself has a very interesting history as it was the target of artillery fire back in the short time of civil war in Austria.
(Please mind, these figures have been built only 30-40 years later than the four latter ones above!)



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So you are more into the small idyllic stuff than into the large bombastic one?

If you like this photo so much, you also find this panorama fine: Google Image Result for http://www.austria-360.at/noe/200505201432_melkvonstift.jpg (make use of the zoom and scroll function!)
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Well, all eight statues are very similar. Like I said I haven't studies too much past the Baroque, outside of the US at least. If I had to take a guess, I would say that the style the latter four are at the very least an attempt to mimic baroque art. The best way I can explain why I think that is to explain the progression from early rennaissance to baroque. And I have just the statues to illustrate it for you. It is all about the moment.


This is Donatello's David and it was created around 1440.


And this is Verrochio's David which was created around 1475.


Both of these are relatively early rennaissance so they are pretty similar. Notice how both pieces show David after slaying Goliath. The figures are calm and relaxed. The viewer is meant to see the moment in time when David is reflecting on his victory, maybe dwelling on God's divine help, or perhaps he is meant to be thinking of his own greatness. Perhaps in Donatello's piece he is more focused on God, as he seems a little more humbled, with his head down. And Verrochio's piece is meant to show the confidence and self assuredness of a youth. (Notice on both pieces the head of Goliath at their feet.)

This is Michelangelo's David, it was unveiled in 1504.(Probably the most famous one.)


In this piece we see something different. This is the figure of David prior to slaying Goliath. Michelangelo has focused on the moment when David sees Goliath approaching. Notice the emotion that Michelangelo has expressed in David's face.



This piece has taken the concentration from the idea or moment of triumph, to the idea of the human will to triumph. He seems relaxed, but his exagerated muscular features (look at the hands and arms in particular) make him seem tensed, like they are prepared for what is about to happen.

So, so far we have seen the moment after victory, and the moment prior to victory, which leads to the last example which is from the Baroque period and is my personal favorite.

This is Bernini's David. 1624.


Bernini has shown David right in the act of slaying Goliath. This is the most extreme case of a contrapposto stance that we have seen in a figure of David. His body is twisted while his arms are frozen in time at the point where he has just begun to hurl the rock. Notice the expression on his face. He is not thinking about what he has done, or what he has to do. He is doing it. While the figure is still, Bernini has masterfully crafted this piece to exude energy.


Anyways, you can surely see this idea in your Baroque examples, as well as your more contemporary ones. Dynamic compositions, full of the action, and do not forget emotion, of the moment of battle.

I'm sure there is a way to tell exactly how they are different, but seeing as how I haven't studied the era that the latter four were made, I would not no how to contrast them.
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Thanks for that little excursus.

Apart from that aspect you showed to me, I believe to see also an increasing focus on detail. Gradually increasing from Donatellos over Verochios to Michelangelo's David. I am not sure one can top Michelangelo's work, but Bernini perhaps made the step further to bring that detail to an extremely dynamic position.

Regarding those Hercules statues. I really lack in detail knowledge, but perhaps those statues were already planned back then together with the rest of the Michaelertrakt in the times of Fischer von Erlach. And what was built then on the brink 20th century actually was not neo-baroque sondern real late baroque.

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Because I mentioned Fischer von Erlach, one of his best known works is the Karlskirche. A very interesting building.



Its considered to be one of the most outstanding examples of baroque churhes. Even though some might have even problems to classify it as baroque
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And here is my favourite baroque square in Vienna. Its one of the rare pictures I shot myself. hehe

I couldn't imagine living in a place like this. I would love to, but you don't really see anything like this over here. It is pretty foreign to me. I really like this picture too. This looks like the kind of place where I would sit there for a couple of hours and watch people walk around.

Was this the panorama?
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I can see how the Karlskirche is baroque. The towers throw me off a little, but that could be because I haven't seen any examples that have also had towers like that, or it might be a regional detail. That is the hardest part of trying to learn all these different styles and periods. You also have to take into account that different regions had their own take on different styles and periods. Northern Europe had oil paints a good while before southern Europe/ Italy did, so while they were all painting in the same period, their techniques and end result were different.
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I can see how the Karlskirche is baroque. The towers throw me off a little, but that could be because I haven't seen any examples that have also had towers like that, or it might be a regional detail. That is the hardest part of trying to learn all these different styles and periods. You also have to take into account that different regions had their own take on different styles and periods. Northern Europe had oil paints a good while before southern Europe/ Italy did, so while they were all painting in the same period, their techniques and end result were different.
Dont ask me why, but the two pillars are both a reference to the Trajans pillar in Rome. I dont know which motives they show, but I guess it shows the Habsburg claim of being a Kaiser (ceasar, ie emperor). The portal is also not typical baroque, for some reason they fused all this into this single church. I think it was to show the cultural diversity or richness of the Habsburg lands, but I may be wrong.
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I couldn't imagine living in a place like this. I would love to, but you don't really see anything like this over here. It is pretty foreign to me. I really like this picture too. This looks like the kind of place where I would sit there for a couple of hours and watch people walk around.
This place is called the "Freyung". It would be a too long story to tell you why it has this name, but during the times of monarchy, this was the best address you could have to live at. Aristocracy was large, and the 1st district was principally the district of the aristocrats. (the rest of the inner districts was the part of the city for the bourgouisie and the officials, and the districts outside of the Gürtel (=the belt) were the workers districts). But the most powerful and oldest aristocratic families, lived around the Freyung. So when you said you are from the Freyung, that meant you are a very important man.

I am not sure how many live around exactly that square today. Those palais around it are today mostly cultural institutions, than you find a major representative bank headquarter, a church with a larger abbey... but there are other places in Viennas 1st district that are as picturesque where also residencies are to find. Principally I think about 14.000-18.000 people actually live in the 1st district. Principally those who have made it, and prefer a ultra central great city apartment over a luxurious little villa in the villa districts with an own garden.

Having that said, I should also add that in the inner districts around the 1st one, you can also find many very nice little corners, and there live also people like you and me. The Spittelberg would be such an example.

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No. I referred to this panorama from Melk:

Follow this link: http://www.austria-360.at/noe/birdca...kvonstift.html
In order to get a non-distorted view, zoom in to the maximum. And then enjoy the view
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