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04-29-2008, 04:57 AM
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How would you fix education?
Here's my plan:
-Make secondary education non-compulsory. One of the big problems with it is that it's a prison-like environment and it feels like it. I say let kids go out into the real world if they don't wanna be in school, learn that it's not so easy without education, and come back more willing to put in an effort.
-Provide vouchers for private schools ( with restrictions, mind you, I don't want Uncle Sam to be paying for catholic schools or madrassas). Competition works, and private providers may even have better solutions than public schools. Depending on cost effectiveness, it might be cheaper to shut down public schools and simply subsidize private ones.
-Centralize administration and funding of public schools. It's currently done by district and paid for out of land taxes, so schools in Compton are much shittier than schools in Beverly Hills, for example.
-Break the teacher's union. Firing a teacher that isn't doing their job right is damn near impossible, and the money being extorted out of the government is not coming off an investor's pocket, it's coming off the taxpayer's pocket.
That's my 2 cents. Anyone got any other ideas?
-Dr House 
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04-29-2008, 07:03 AM
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1) Return the funding of eductation exclusively to the local government. Overwhelmingly the costs of education are paid for with property taxes which are local taxes paying for a local service. The federal government contributes about 7% of the school budgets but imposed so many restrictions on the money that it costs more than that for the local schools to accept the money.
2) Set the curriculum for K-12 and establish courses that are designed based upon competency based learning.
3) Eliminate the requirement for a 4 year college degree in order for someone to become a teacher. While there are courses they should take it doesn't require a college degree to teach most k-12 courses.
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04-29-2008, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr House
Here's my plan:
-Make secondary education non-compulsory. One of the big problems with it is that it's a prison-like environment and it feels like it. I say let kids go out into the real world if they don't wanna be in school, learn that it's not so easy without education, and come back more willing to put in an effort.
-Provide vouchers for private schools ( with restrictions, mind you, I don't want Uncle Sam to be paying for catholic schools or madrassas). Competition works, and private providers may even have better solutions than public schools. Depending on cost effectiveness, it might be cheaper to shut down public schools and simply subsidize private ones.
-Centralize administration and funding of public schools. It's currently done by district and paid for out of land taxes, so schools in Compton are much shittier than schools in Beverly Hills, for example.
-Break the teacher's union. Firing a teacher that isn't doing their job right is damn near impossible, and the money being extorted out of the government is not coming off an investor's pocket, it's coming off the taxpayer's pocket.
That's my 2 cents. Anyone got any other ideas?
-Dr House 
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Make secondary education non-compulsory.
no, you cant get a job anywere i n Montréal without school
secondaire. also,i will get kick out o f house if i quit school.my dad he say this.
-Provide vouchers for private schools
this are bad idea.this will make religieuses organisations controle education. i nn québec already there do this to much.
-Centralize administration and funding of public schools
i dont know much abaout this but i think payer b y district are best becuasse there are very diversité population i n Québec. people want the kind of schools they have chose and not something for provenciale.
-Break the teacher's union.
anaothre bad idea. you can not teach schools without teachers.there will be no teachers i n the schools without the union.
so,i dont agree anythoing you say.
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04-29-2008, 07:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr House
Here's my plan:
-Make secondary education non-compulsory. One of the big problems with it is that it's a prison-like environment and it feels like it. I say let kids go out into the real world if they don't wanna be in school, learn that it's not so easy without education, and come back more willing to put in an effort.
-Provide vouchers for private schools ( with restrictions, mind you, I don't want Uncle Sam to be paying for catholic schools or madrassas). Competition works, and private providers may even have better solutions than public schools. Depending on cost effectiveness, it might be cheaper to shut down public schools and simply subsidize private ones.
-Centralize administration and funding of public schools. It's currently done by district and paid for out of land taxes, so schools in Compton are much shittier than schools in Beverly Hills, for example.
-Break the teacher's union. Firing a teacher that isn't doing their job right is damn near impossible, and the money being extorted out of the government is not coming off an investor's pocket, it's coming off the taxpayer's pocket.
That's my 2 cents. Anyone got any other ideas?
-Dr House 
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Many children DO drop out of secondary schools now, and a large % of them experience problems. We have tried privatising public schools, and it did not work well.
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04-29-2008, 07:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiva_TD
1) Return the funding of eductation exclusively to the local government. Overwhelmingly the costs of education are paid for with property taxes which are local taxes paying for a local service. The federal government contributes about 7% of the school budgets but imposed so many restrictions on the money that it costs more than that for the local schools to accept the money.
2) Set the curriculum for K-12 and establish courses that are designed based upon competency based learning.
3) Eliminate the requirement for a 4 year college degree in order for someone to become a teacher. While there are courses they should take it doesn't require a college degree to teach most k-12 courses.
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1.Return the funding of eductation exclusively to the local government.
this are a good idea. i will like t o see this happen i n education.
2.Set the curriculum for K-12 and establish courses that are designed based upon competency based learning.
no. what i think your say here i s to test for this competency you talk abaout.
this are to subjectif and it say what a person dont learn and not what there d o learn. this i s already done in school and it i s wrong.
3.Eliminate the requirement for a 4 year college degree in order for someone to become a teacher
no this will hurt teaching profesion to much. what if teacher there want to go t o higher grades to work or perhaps université. also, teachers are always taking training improve course.this are require by department.
i want t o add this.
4. all parents must attend one school meeting each month or there will pay a fee.
this will get parents involv in the student school becuase to many parents dont give a shit.
thank you.
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04-29-2008, 07:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by choclosteve
Many children DO drop out of secondary schools now, and a large % of them experience problems. We have tried privatising public schools, and it did not work well.
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this privitise remind m e abaout the catholiques schools.i dont know how anybody can learnt much i n this schools. they really suck.
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04-29-2008, 07:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiva_TD
1) Return the funding of eductation exclusively to the local government. Overwhelmingly the costs of education are paid for with property taxes which are local taxes paying for a local service. The federal government contributes about 7% of the school budgets but imposed so many restrictions on the money that it costs more than that for the local schools to accept the money.
2) Set the curriculum for K-12 and establish courses that are designed based upon competency based learning.
3) Eliminate the requirement for a 4 year college degree in order for someone to become a teacher. While there are courses they should take it doesn't require a college degree to teach most k-12 courses.
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Local funding only does not work well because some districts have better tax basis than others. Here, in Oregon, the state provides a lot of funding as well. We have a lot of charter schools for those who want something different.
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04-29-2008, 08:06 AM
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Well, many areas have tried throwing money at the "problem" and it creates lots of non direct education jobs.
Home rule is OK and forcing it back to local municipalities. That means rural kids will be bussed 20-40 miles to get to a school because their town can't afford one. Who knows what is right or wrong there
At the end of the day, some people drive BMW's and others wash them. It takes all kinds and you can't force people to want to excel if your definition of excellence is big house, big pay, big job. Some are happy with a single bedroom and a few $$$ to get a beer and go fishing.
Me- I moved my family from an area with a non accredited school to a town with excellent schools. It was that important to me so we found a way to afford it and that included working a lot of overtime and driving a little more but my children were worth it. Everyone has the same option but it requires hard hard work and tough choices; but aren't your children worth it? If schools aren't good then people should move and the school goes away just like a sick animal.
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04-29-2008, 08:17 AM
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charter schools are very good
Quote:
Originally Posted by choclosteve
Local funding only does not work well because some districts have better tax basis than others. Here, in Oregon, the state provides a lot of funding as well. We have a lot of charter schools for those who want something different.
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yes, charter schools are very good. they are like private schools but they are funded much different then public schools. i want to go to charter school but my family like public school.
this is website where gouvernement of Québec compare success in USA charter schools. this has very good information.
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04-29-2008, 08:19 AM
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1. Quit teaching electives. Only the basics are needed.
2. No more self esteem, earth day, sex ed.
3. Make all tests non-multiple choice and make all tests explanatory.
4. Get rid of teachers union.
5. Make it all local.
6. Vouchers.
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