Marijuana criminalization - Page 6 - Political Forum

The Lying Dutchman · #51 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhc

ok, I'm gonn put this argument down once and for all. i live in australia, pot is common down here. say it becomes legal, ignoring all the side effects. focusing on the good things like being relaxed and happy.

what happens when parents start getting high. unlike alcohol you can smoke all the pot in the world and have no risk of ODing or getting a mean ass stomach pain.

i could easily imagin mr. and mrs. smith sitting on the couch high as a kite while the kids do god knows what. the parents are so far gone they wouldn't cook much. and what they would cook wouldn't be healthy.

like alcoho and cigirets there would be laws to stop kids smoking it. if u can leagly be stoned all the time then i can imagin mr and mrs smith not going near the kids or sending the kids out side while they smoke like chimines. coz smoking around kids would be just as bad as giving em pot and most likely be just as illegal in a legal pot world. there are already enough problems with parents not feeding their kids, sending them to school in last weeks clothes and letting the kids do anything else. these types of people spend all their money on alcohol and cant afford to pay to send their kids on school excursions, how do you think they would last with pot?

I recon legal pot would see the destruction of mankind in... 2 generations.

sure there would be people but they wouldn't even slightly resemble anyone you know today.

ehm..taking it a bit to extremes dont you think? i dont know what kind of skunk they sell where you live but your scenario is waay over the top.
stupid people live in every society, it is ignorant to blame the substances they abuse and not the people themselves.

Locke9-05 · #52 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dahermit

Jesus H. Christ! This is why I get jerked out of shape about kids (25 and under), being the majority on political forums. Kids do not have the frame of reference to make intelligent political arguments. I do not have the patients to educate every kid that thinks they are smart enough to make a meaningful comment.

This outburst is irrelevant to the discussion, you would do well to avoid such unrelated and condescending tirades in the future as they contribute nothing positive to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by dahermit

18th amendment?, Al Capone, Purple Gang, Dutch Schultz, Prohibition?

Yes, all caused by which group of people? Who was it that chose to buy the alcohol directly from these criminal groups, defying the laws, and fueling the fire that was the mafia? It certainly wasn't the government. No, no no, it was alcoholics and anti-prohibitionists who were zealous enough in their own selfish desires to defy a completely reasonable law. Your argument seems based on the very shallow premise of denying that humans have the constitution and will to make their own choices. We're not animals. Who chose to buy the alcohol? The users. What did those profits do? They contributed to the expansion of the mob and other criminal empires. To blame this on the government is what we call a "cop-out." It's simply anti-prohibitionists who can't accept the fact that the group they supported and still support is and was the cause of such asinine criminal behavior.

Locke9-05 · #53 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lying Dutchman

ehm..taking it a bit to extremes dont you think? i dont know what kind of skunk they sell where you live but your scenario is waay over the top.
stupid people live in every society, it is ignorant to blame the substances they abuse and not the people themselves.

We're blaming both. The people choose to use substances that physically alter brain chemistry and cause unstable side-effects that don't contribute to society and actually pose a risk to the user and those around the user. It's the choice of the individual to take the substance, it's the weakness of the user to succumb to such a foolish addiction in the first place, but the substance itself physically manipulates human brain chemistry in a completely hazardous way. So all society is doing is rightfully ensuring that those who are selfish enough to use the substance for their own "personal gain" at the risk of those around them (when the substance has no benefit to society in any way in the first place) face consequences for their destructive behavior.

The Lying Dutchman · #54 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke9-05

We're blaming both. The people choose to use substances that physically alter brain chemistry and cause unstable side-effects that don't contribute to society and actually pose a risk to the user and those around the user. It's the choice of the individual to take the substance, it's the weakness of the user to succumb to such a foolish addiction in the first place, but the substance itself physically manipulates human brain chemistry in a completely hazardous way. So all society is doing is rightfully ensuring that those who are selfish enough to use the substance for their own "personal gain" at the risk of those around them (when the substance has no benefit to society in any way in the first place) face consequences for their destructive behavior.

if this same society has alcohol legalized then it can hardly be said it upholds this principle. the contrary of this -that mindless and damaging substances can be tolerated- is aproved of at the same time.

Demarcoa · #55 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 10:11 PM

I honestly don't see how one can rationalize that marijuana being illegal makes sense when alcohol and tobacco, both of which are worse to your health and more addictive are perfectly legal.

sirhc · #56 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Demarcoa

I honestly don't see how one can rationalize that marijuana being illegal makes sense when alcohol and tobacco, both of which are worse to your health and more addictive are perfectly legal.

tobacco is not worse for your health then pot, it is such a basic fact and the effects of tobacco are that of a stimulant where pot is a depressant. compleate difference, the effect tobacco has on the brain is minor compared to the many things pot dose upstairs.

alcohol is not addictive, people can become addicted but only overtime. one puff of either pot of tobacco and you could be addicted. plus while alcohol dose affect motor skills and damage the brain. pot will do it faster and to the power of 10.

tis basic facts.

FRYandBENDER · #57 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhc

one puff of either pot of tobacco and you could be addicted.
tis basic facts.

Completely wrong. It takes a while to get truly addicted to nicotine, several uses. And I've never experienced or heard of marijuana being addictive. I've never met a weed junkie, who would suck a ***** for weed.

Locke9-05 · #58 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Demarcoa

I honestly don't see how one can rationalize that marijuana being illegal makes sense when alcohol and tobacco, both of which are worse to your health and more addictive are perfectly legal.

One can rationalize marijuana being illegal quite easily. The contrast between marijuana's illegal status and the fact that alcohol and tobacco are still legal is not so simple to rationalize. There is very good reason for marijuana being illegal, that much is fairly straight forward. The gray area is the double standard. Yes, tobacco and alcohol are both harmful substances--very harmful. They should be illegal. But that isn't an argument against marijuana being illegal. It only provides a good reason to amend the problem and eliminate two more useless individualistic substances that are hazardous to society.

Locke9-05 · #59 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lying Dutchman

if this same society has alcohol legalized then it can hardly be said it upholds this principle. the contrary of this -that mindless and damaging substances can be tolerated- is aproved of at the same time.

No, all this shows is that society corrected a mistake they made after the first prohibition. Society gave into the criminal mindset after the prohibition. Marijuana's illegal status is society placing restrictive mandates and enforcing consequences on cannabis use so that this other harmful substance--one aside from alcohol and tobacco--will not freely and legally contribute to the damage alcohol and tobacco are already doing. The next step in the right direction would be to work towards fixing the mistake altogether.

emptypepsi · #60 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhc

tobacco is not worse for your health then pot, it is such a basic fact and the effects of tobacco are that of a stimulant where pot is a depressant. compleate difference, the effect tobacco has on the brain is minor compared to the many things pot dose upstairs.

alcohol is not addictive, people can become addicted but only overtime. one puff of either pot of tobacco and you could be addicted. plus while alcohol dose affect motor skills and damage the brain. pot will do it faster and to the power of 10.

tis basic facts.

Do you have any sources to back up these "basic facts"?