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04-18-2008, 06:38 PM
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Do you think the USA has a monopoly on racism or hate mongering?
The USA is a true melting pot of many people and their cultures. Generally, when you mention race most quickly think a black-white issue. There are many cubanos and mexicans that are taunted by blacks and whites just because they are different. But, for the most part, most Americans are decent, hard working compassionate people. We are not planting IEDs or using human bombs to kill innocent people in bazaars and cafes because we don't like their religion.
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I don't recall the OP suggesting that the US has a monopoly on racism and I don't think anyone is ignorant of the plight in foreign countries regarding racism, religious intolerance and other forms of bigotry. I also don't see why every time someone brings up the issue of race in a forum someone else feels the need to mention how bad it is in foreign countries to try and dismiss the issue since that doesn't change the fact that it still has a significant impact on society here. I could only imagine how much of a failure this country would be if we just stopped and said "well its worse elsewhere" in a vein attempt to ignore the issue.
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04-19-2008, 10:59 AM
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this lady explains a lot
It's love, loyalty in face of racism
CYNTHIA TUCKER
MY OPINION
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/20/08
I never saw my father wear a flag pin, but he was a patriot. He was more faithful to the United States of America than I would have been if my life had been as burdened by legally sanctioned racism.
He grew up in the Jim Crow South, where his opportunities were severely limited. He attended inferior schools and was taught to be deferential to whites. He endured vicious bigotry inside the newly integrated Army, where he served as a lieutenant, and out.
When he returned from Korea as a combat veteran, he bought a baby blue 1953 Chevrolet. In one ugly episode that he recounted, he stopped to buy gas at a small service station in rural Alabama, where he lived. The attendant, apparently outraged to see a black man in a brand-new car, said, "Nigger, if you want that car, you better get it the hell out of here." No gas.
Yet my father rarely showed anger or frustration over the social and institutional bigotry that could easily have cast a pall over his life. He went to college, got married and reared four children. He encouraged us to work hard, to worship God, to respect authority. Every now and then, I caught a glimpse of his frustrations, but little more. He didn't want his children to grow up embittered.
My father's brother-in-law, Steve, volunteered for the Army shortly before Pearl Harbor. He remembers following Patton's men through Europe as a member of the all-black 575th Quartermaster Company. When the Red Cross came to the front with hot coffee and doughnuts, they served the white soldiers first. Then they served the black soldiers, if there was any coffee left. Black soldiers were kept away from certain English and French towns for fear they would "fraternize" with white women. But Steve endured all that with perspective — and good humor — intact.
In that respect, perhaps, my father and uncle differed greatly from Barack Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose anger — indeed, bitterness — about his country's social and political history have clearly distorted his views. But they are all black men who have shown a deep love for their country, a love that has often been unrequited.
In last week's Democratic debate — a fusillade of mostly inane questions from two otherwise distinguished media personalities — one of the least enlightening exchanges rehashed the controversy over Wright's inflammatory remarks. In what was surely one of the evening's low points, George Stephanopoulos asked Obama: "Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?"
Exactly what are the metrics we should use here? A hundred points if you've never uttered a critical word about your nation's foreign or domestic policy? Only 50 points if you've ever expressed dismay over lingering racism? Deported immediately to Guantanamo if you've had the gall to suggest there may be a connection between American foreign policy and the terrorist atrocity of 9/11?
It's exasperating when Republicans decide to smear a triple-amputee like former U.S. Sen. Max Cleland, Georgia Democrat, as unpatriotic, as Saxby Chambliss did in defeating him in 2002. It's downright troubling when mainstream media types decide it is appropriate to ask a presidential candidate to weigh his former pastor's loyalty, an unfortunate echo of the Joseph McCarthy era. There are many things that might correctly be said about some of Wright's views — paranoid, offensive and patently wrong — but unpatriotic? By whose definition?
For the record, Wright volunteered for the Marine Corps in 1962, inspired by John F. Kennedy's inaugural challenge, "Ask not what your country can do for you," according to a Chicago Tribune essay co-authored by Lawrence Korb, who served as an assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. As a cardiopulmonary technician, Wright was assigned to the president's medical team and helped care for Lyndon Johnson. For that service, he received three presidential letters of commendation.
There is much that could be said about the long and troubled love affair between a people and their nation, but Condoleezza Rice captured its essence in a recent interview with the Washington Times: "What I would like understood as a black American is that black Americans loved and had faith in this country even when this country didn't love and have faith in them — and that's our legacy."
Patriotism.
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04-19-2008, 03:06 PM
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Stop it.
Stop! Racism No. Class-ism Yes. For ever, never ending. Poor Whites are treated badly, Same as POOR Blacks. ie It is the Poor ......not Minorities. Poor are the Majority...? That is why the Rich want the Poor fighting each other, and not them[Rich].
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04-19-2008, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeBlack
It can be tempered with LOVE`
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Yes
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04-19-2008, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by choclosteve
Being a senior optimist, and being a member of a now, multi racial family, I have seen an amazing improvement in combatting racism. Wow, we might even get a hybrid black/white president. I sure hope so. I believe in hybrid vigor- it applies in both the animal and plant worlds. Change can and is happening, and we should all support it. Get to know another culture, another religion, another cuisine- yummy and interesting. Change is a challenge, but it sure can be fun and rewarding. Look at those pictures of the Dalai Lama and Bishop Desmond Tutu laughing together. Wow!
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Yes a great view! Everybody needs to come together as some all ready have.
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04-19-2008, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by notahack
Do you think the USA has a monopoly on racism or hate mongering?
The USA is a true melting pot of many people and their cultures. Generally, when you mention race most quickly think a black-white issue. There are many cubanos and mexicans that are taunted by blacks and whites just because they are different. But, for the most part, most Americans are decent, hard working compassionate people. We are not planting IEDs or using human bombs to kill innocent people in bazaars and cafes because we don't like their religion.
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I do not think of it that way.
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04-19-2008, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by notahack
Do you think the USA has a monopoly on racism or hate mongering?
The USA is a true melting pot of many people and their cultures. Generally, when you mention race most quickly think a black-white issue. There are many cubanos and mexicans that are taunted by blacks and whites just because they are different. But, for the most part, most Americans are decent, hard working compassionate people. We are not planting IEDs or using human bombs to kill innocent people in bazaars and cafes because we don't like their religion.
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and you should not either.
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04-19-2008, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHat
A fall for our country? What country doesnt have racism? Racism will never be wiped out or stopped simply b/c this is not a perfect world and it can never be a perfect, harmony, everyone gets along with each other place.
We can make it insignificant by all means, but we will never eradicate it totally. The only way racism can be extinguished is if 1 race completely wipes out all others and only 1 race is left.
But in order to do that requires.....well racism itself....lol. So even then it isnt wiped out but condoned and outright enforced in the opposite direction of what we are trying to do.
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Nothing is gone forever. Yes a fall for our country, you have seen what it has done to others.
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04-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nemesis
I don't recall the OP suggesting that the US has a monopoly on racism and I don't think anyone is ignorant of the plight in foreign countries regarding racism, religious intolerance and other forms of bigotry. I also don't see why every time someone brings up the issue of race in a forum someone else feels the need to mention how bad it is in foreign countries to try and dismiss the issue since that doesn't change the fact that it still has a significant impact on society here. I could only imagine how much of a failure this country would be if we just stopped and said "well its worse elsewhere" in a vein attempt to ignore the issue.
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It is a fall to the world.
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04-19-2008, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nemesis
I don't recall the OP suggesting that the US has a monopoly on racism and I don't think anyone is ignorant of the plight in foreign countries regarding racism, religious intolerance and other forms of bigotry. I also don't see why every time someone brings up the issue of race in a forum someone else feels the need to mention how bad it is in foreign countries to try and dismiss the issue since that doesn't change the fact that it still has a significant impact on society here. I could only imagine how much of a failure this country would be if we just stopped and said "well its worse elsewhere" in a vein attempt to ignore the issue.
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I called this thread U.S. Racism, you can make one called World Racism if you want. Yes our countries racism is better than others, but it could just turn us into them.
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