Continued Meeks in the sermon: "But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated.

This is a remark made by the successor of that great holy man Pastor Wright.
Apparently he has never been a classroom of predominantly black students. He also doesn't seem to know the difference between not being able to be educated and not wanting to do the work. Racism is never going to end. It will be perpetuated by whiny blacks for all time.

I would like to know what the rich blacks are doing to help their community to afford an education.

Opra seems to be spending a lot of money on education for blacks, albeit in Africa. Bill Cosby has a doctorate in education, but I do not know what he does with it. Nevertheless, seems I remember him doing things for eduation...I just cannot remember what it was.
One consideration is that, not being in the black community, perhaps we do not hear about what some wealthy blacks are doing to educate other blacks.

That is all well and good, and I applaud Oprah for her deeds. However, the point that needs to be addressed and answered by the black community is what they have done to help themselves. The community will never address this and admit as a whole that they have failed themselves, I, a white woman, have not done anything to hold back the black community, and neither has society at large. It is an age old dirge, that will not end. What really messes with my mind is the expectation of "respect". Respect for what? Achievements that could have been made, but weren't? Respect for the color of skin? Respect is earned, not a God given right.

well then you must understand the affects of slavery and the outcome it had on black people. You as a white person cannot imagine what or why the blacks keep on wanting equal rights..... 50 years ago your family was in a much better position that blacks we are just getting out of the racial segregation and it will take many years for that to heal. You however have enjoyed the privilages of your white ancesters and im sure you must see that still its easier for a white woman to geta job faster than a black person, to lable blacks as whiny shows your racial hatred for blacks. To me it shows that you dont even want to entertain the thought of what the white world effect on the black world has done. Shit even in religion our white slave masters your ancesters, who raped and murdered many slaves, gives the slave a religion and then puts the image of God to the slaves as a white man. Does this have an effect on blacks... hell yeah so what the white world has done and the effects of slavery is what is wrong with the blacks today. It is much harder for a black comming from slave history to make money and get good education than it is for whites whose gerneration profited greatly form slavery.

Do you think that blacks are the only people who have ever been enslaved? It's not so. What you term "racial hatred" is very simplistic thinking. Do you think that blacks treat each other any better? Let's talk about Ghana, let's talk about Sierra Leone. Let's talk about the blacks who traded their own people to the Spaniards for guns to use against neighboring villages. Learn a little more about the history of your own people before labeling me a racist. I don't care what race, religion or social status a person is. My question to you is, HOW LONG do those with white skin have to pay for what people did two hundred years ago. If you don't ever intend to get past it, why should I? If you think that white hatred is greater than black hatred, please say so, and be honest, without using the excuses that you have used above to perpetuate your own hatred. A people that cannot let go of past events, can never move forward.

the people that where sold as slaves to the spaniards where of different tribes. they did not consider themselves the same anymore than white europeans considered themselves to be the same. therefore there was no case of 'blacks betraying blacks' the felt to be different.
most conflicts in africa are between tribes that have separate identities.
you also cant say that european wars were about 'whites killing whites', its an absurd way of looking at things.

See my post here: Interesting take on Wright flap this type of self victimizing thinking is exactly why African Americans feel stuck. I think Bill Cosby said it best "Stop playing the victim".

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all places that were colinized by the europeans

yeah lets talk about that, did you know that the europeans told those blacks that if they did not meet their quota for slaves then they would sell the weapons to their rival tribes. Which forced those black to make a descion either meet the quota or suffer defeat from their rivals and end up being slaves themselves. Well look what happened they went out and took anybody they could find thats how princes and kings got into europe. What a evil choice they had to make that was givin to them by the europeans.



so you admit that you dont care about the poor?




PAY?... PAY???? you can never pay back what they did, the effects of slavery is still present today 50 years ago we still had nasty racisim we couldnt drink from from the same fountain eat in the same restarant and this feeling hasent just poof gone away its going to take more than 200 years for that wound to heal. You are not paying for a damn thing if you cant see that whites have had the upper hand for 100s of yearsand you being born white have a better chance than a black person and thats just the way it is for now. Blacks can never forget their past for if we do then its a chance that it can happen again.

blacks will never forget the atrocities that we suffered under slavery never what do you intend to get past??? the fact that your people were slave masters and now when blacks want equality and we use our past to show where we are today because of slavery you choose to not get past it to remain in a hateful disrespecting way . This is the attitude of a clan member who believed the same thing. Just think in 1970 is when segregation ended, so we have had just 30 somthin years without legalised segregation. And you think that we should just get over it and stop being whiny blacks?? I ask you does this not sound racist??


If blacks really hated whites then we would try our best to enslave them to show them what it feels like. But no what do we do we talk about the affects of what the whites had on us and how we need to establish ourselves whithout white help. We can talk but you should not be the leaders of us because of what we went through. And of course we should be friends but friends have a good understanding of each other. If I was your friend and i punched you in the face for 3 days straight for no reason then i apoligize would you still trust me the same way?? it might take years for you to truly forgive me till then we would just be sorta friends. Now if i tell you look how long are you going to hold it against me you should just get over it or else i wont get over it. What would you say would you distance yourself from me orr would you just forget about my violence towards you?(keep in mind this is what abusive woman go through they forgive and try to forget until he acts up again)

It's a really difficult situation for both sides. I think the strife stems partly from a widespread delusion on social mobility in America - the myth of meritocracy. We are led to believe that the poor could become rich if they just worked really hard. Those who fail, we are told, did so because they were too lazy. The reality is that Horatio Alger stories are rare, for the poor of all races.

Due to their shared history of abuses at the hands of Whites, now mostly dead, impoverished Black people identify themselves more in terms of race than economic class. Like most Americans, they accept that hard work is required for social mobility, but clearly something else must be required as they likely know many people who work hard but must run as fast as they can to stay in the same place. They may well conclude that they can't get any "lucky breaks," or whatever it takes to get ahead, because nobody will give them a chance due to their race. As you might imagine, this must be frustrating, and may cause them to see America as a land of hypocrisy. Well it is, but that's not exactly why. The real reason is that upward social mobility in America is uncommon, and the way our society is structured makes it extremely difficult to get ahead. Thus people acquire financial goals and expectations that don't mesh with reality, and this is extremely unhealthy for individuals and society.

One tool that policymakers have tried to remedy the effects of classism/racism (or sexism) is affirmative action, but this is a double-edge sword. It may diminish the self-esteem of minorities who were accepted/hired for reasons other than merit. It also makes Whites bitter, and may encourage racism. Lets say their kid is trying to get into college, and they perceive that the spot has been taken by a less-qualified, though disadvantaged, minority applicant due to affirmative action. It's a real problem because it rarely boils down to merit in America. Especially affluent Whites can pay for an amazing education at a private high school. Middle-classed Whites have an edge too, as public schools in America are funded by localized taxes. Thus schools in poor neighborhoods can't offer the same education.

Education is increasingly the only way to get out of poverty. When America was more industrial-based, it was possible to be trained on the job without a high school education and in many cases, still be middle-classed. This is much less common today. While schools are not formally segregated by race now as they were a half century ago, they are even more segregated in terms of economic class. Education is increasingly expensive and few state and federal resources go to help students of all races to achieve it.

Basically, ameliorating the "race problem" is going to have to start with an education system that allows an inner city kid to get an education that is of a similar quality to that of at least a public school in an affluent neighborhood. Schools' funding will need to become a priority, and it will need to be equitably distributed.

i disagree with this statement for the simple fact that whites being born today and yesterday have it better that blacks today thats just the way it is now. They are enjoying the life made possible by slavery, blacks are just starting to enjoy life remember segregation ended in 1970 legaly we only have had 38 years of no segrgation. There is no way that 38 years have washed away the effects of slavery and segregation.

I agree