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04-11-2008, 10:43 AM
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i would agree
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04-11-2008, 02:02 PM
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you make a mistake when you see all black people as one race.
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an african american has established a very different identity of that of 'black people in africa'.
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Is that why "Black History Month" concentrates on African Heritage, because blacks in this country don't want to be associated with the "difference"?
Why then do blacks in this country want to be called "African" Americans?
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04-11-2008, 02:18 PM
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you make a mistake when you see all black people as one race.
Is that why "Black History Month" concentrates on African Heritage, because blacks in this country don't want to be associated with the "difference"?
Why then do blacks in this country want to be called "African" Americans?
Just curious.
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because majority of blacks are from the slaves that were brought to america. And the term afican was much better than ni..a which is what we were and still are called
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04-11-2008, 02:34 PM
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I also agree with you that we should remember our history, but also we should remember that the best revenge is to live a good and happy life, dominated by compassion rather than anger. I think it possible for you to provide better opportunities for your children than the average white child gets, just as my 2 racially hybrid grandsons are getting, in addition to the hybrid vigor they were born with. My hope is that Moslems and other angry folks can get beyond their anger and feelings of victimhood and focus on tactics that bring them success and joy, somethings that cannot be provided by others. If you believe that you are a success and happy, then you are- if you believe you are a victim and unhappy, then you are, and anger will only make it harder to move on to a better place. Oh yes, there are also white folks who see their glass as half empty, and themselves as unhappy angry victims. How sad
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04-11-2008, 02:55 PM
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I also agree with you that we should remember our history, but also we should remember that the best revenge is to live a good and happy life, dominated by compassion rather than anger. I think it possible for you to provide better opportunities for your children than the average white child gets, just as my 2 racially hybrid grandsons are getting, in addition to the hybrid vigor they were born with. My hope is that Moslems and other angry folks can get beyond their anger and feelings of victimhood and focus on tactics that bring them success and joy.
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I AGREE BUT DISAGREE i agree we should remember our history i dont agree with the revenge statement. for the black race does not need to take revenge of any sort on the white race. we just need to have correct equal opportunities this is what our ancesters wanted for us equality to live together in peace we canot move on until we have this. blacks have been put down so long that we are not looked at as equal if we were then our old slave owners would apologise for their treatment against us(america) which it has never done! however the jews were given an apology why cant our country reconise their wrong and apologise. they never have said sorry and until that happens then we can move on.
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04-11-2008, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bododie
you make a mistake when you see all black people as one race.
Is that why "Black History Month" concentrates on African Heritage, because blacks in this country don't want to be associated with the "difference"?
Why then do blacks in this country want to be called "African" Americans?
Just curious.
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because african americans have a common identity based on their past. africa is grouped as one single entity. this happens with most minorities. europeans greatly differ, but when they are in other continents they can see better where they are european.
african americans share a common past where they come from the african continent, but i think not every family will know the exact area/country from africa they where really from so speaking of the continent as a whole is a logical consequence.
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04-11-2008, 04:04 PM
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I AGREE BUT DISAGREE i agree we should remember our history i dont agree with the revenge statement. for the black race does not need to take revenge of any sort on the white race. we just need to have correct equal opportunities this is what our ancesters wanted for us equality to live together in peace we canot move on until we have this. blacks have been put down so long that we are not looked at as equal if we were then our old slave owners would apologise for their treatment against us(america) which it has never done! however the jews were given an apology why cant our country reconise their wrong and apologise. they never have said sorry and until that happens then we can move on.
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Well, although white, my American ancestors never owned slaves or approved of slavery, and to my knowledge there are no former American slave owners alive today, so I do not see how it is possible for those slave owners to apologize, even if they ever did realize the errors of their ways. Fortunately attitudes and practices change, and most Americans now believe that slavery was wrong. So what would be a proper apology? Can I do it? OK, I'm sorry, as I am for a lot of other nasty things that can be found in the world's history. Does that make the past any better? As to waiting for correct equal opportunities, my family saw to it that my black/white nephew got better than equal opportunities, and as I said before, my hybrid grandsons are also being raised with more than equal opportunities. You can wait for everything to be perfect (never happen), or make the most of the world as you find it, become more personally powerful, and be better able to effect change. We get further when we work together. The enemy is the exploiter and ignorance. Asians and Whites have also been exploited, and even made slaves. I have ancestors who came here as indentured servants, but none who owned slaves. We have a common enemy; an enemy that understands the tactic of divide and conquer.
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04-11-2008, 04:21 PM
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Nash, do you believe in reparations? Would that be a good way of saying "sorry".
"Hey man, sorry that people who are not related to me chained up some of your ancestors. Because I am White, I'll pay you a few thousand dollars."
Seems a bit like robbery.
And, as to one of your earlier posts, the majority of ancestors to modern African Americans, came to America after the slave trade.
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04-11-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash
well then you must understand the affects of slavery and the outcome it had on black people. You as a white person cannot imagine what or why the blacks keep on wanting equal rights..... 50 years ago your family was in a much better position that blacks we are just getting out of the racial segregation and it will take many years for that to heal. You however have enjoyed the privilages of your white ancesters and im sure you must see that still its easier for a white woman to geta job faster than a black person, to lable blacks as whiny shows your racial hatred for blacks. To me it shows that you dont even want to entertain the thought of what the white world effect on the black world has done. Shit even in religion our white slave masters your ancesters, who raped and murdered many slaves, gives the slave a religion and then puts the image of God to the slaves as a white man. Does this have an effect on blacks... hell yeah so what the white world has done and the effects of slavery is what is wrong with the blacks today. It is much harder for a black comming from slave history to make money and get good education than it is for whites whose gerneration profited greatly form slavery.
you base much of your information it seems on opinions. first of all slavery has existed since the beginnings of civilizations. when one civilization came into power, they would use the ones they overthrew as slaves. being a slave is not based on you being BLACK, nor is based on anyone being BLACK. you make slavery sound as if it is a disease that manifested itself for BLACKS ONLY. also for those who are black. you have just as much of an idea of what it is like to be a slave than i do. you have not lived a life of a slave, you can not speak as if you are a slave. i've also had ancestors who were white slaves, i'm sure they were raped and beaten as well, but i did not live during that time. it really has no impact on my life or how i make my life now. i have what is called A CHOICE. i can chose to be an uninformed idiot and find every excuse in the world not to educate myself and mooch off the government or i can work hard and find all the resources available to me to better my life and to set examples.
blacks have more equal rights than you can even imagine. here are some examples. in the state of new jersey most of the state/federal government run agencies are employed by mainly blacks. as far as equal rights to an education? the opportunity for a black person is endless, and my own personal experience has allowed me to see this first hand. while i was in college i was going through the school scholarship booklet. most of the applicants had to be "african american" the next race was hispanic, however there was no white section for a white student. i would say out of a 1000 scholarships listed 95 percent of them were aimed for blacks. i do remember i met the criteria for three of the scholarships listed, and they were very small amounts like 200.00, compared to the black scholarships that were anywhere from 200.00-5000.00
there is racism in every race. just because a person is black does not mean they are not a racist, however a black person can get away with racism, the white person cannot. then when you dont get your jobs, or your promotions you cry racism. i think black people need to examine their attitudes a bit more as to reasons why they do not get employment or why they do not get their promotions. perhaps work on your professionalism, and learn to be appropriate when the need arises instead of acting like YOU ARE OWED. that just might help the black man get employment. don't you agree?
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04-12-2008, 01:19 AM
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The effects of slavery and segregation is still present today only 38 years of no LEGAL SEGREGATION
DEFY? DEFY?? WOW THIS IS A RACIST STATEMENT!! So we are not to challenge the white race to be better than their ancestors, we are not to elude or get away from white supremacy, we are not to resist white people who teach wrong history or who want to stick to old teachings we are not to defy you at all to try and establish our race like other established races we are not to defy you in that we should abdicate our position of establishing our race to you and not defy you. WOW UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!
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Yet another reactionary statement. We already Better then the bigoted ancestors...let me remind you a WHITE president abolished slavery.
I will make this real simple for you, I respect the black people and what they went through. We the WHITE Americans of this country have been paying for the sins of our forefathers for years. Sins I might add WE did not commit. This country's apology that you are waiting for has been given its called "Affirmative Action". I am not sure what else your expecting here, 100 Million whites all signing a "We are sorry card". I am sorry but its high time in this country that the African American people stop living in the past and trying to play the victim. There are no African Americans alive today who were slaves so why should MY children continue to pay for the actions some ignorant redneck white moron committed 200 years ago? Exactly how long is this "Card" going to continue to be played take some initiative and take some responsibility for where you are and what you are and change it.
Dont bother with the "You dont know what its like growing up black". I grew up in Black Neighborhoods and was just as poor as they were, alot of white people endure the same thing. The black race does not have a monopoly on being poor or having hard times in this country and frankly im sick of hearing it. Pick yourselves up by your boot straps and take some PERSONAL responsibility!!
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