im not self victimizing myself but when blacks are being called whiny because of stating the facts that what white america done to the and the result of that then im not playing the victim.Only if I blame the white man for everything and sit home with no job become a bum and blame the white people for that thhen im playing the victim. however if im working towards somthing going to school got a good job and still I can see the effects of what slavey has had on me and my people then i will speak out. Lets be real here, whites have had the upper hand and the playing feild has not been equal for some time and this is a fact.Off subject but not really, I was in an elevator with a white lady at the mall I said good afternoon and she looked at me a clutched her purse tight. Iwas not dressed in any baggy clothes or looking like a thug but still she felt as if i was going to steal her purse. This has happened on 8 times that I can remember, i could only imagine if i was really paying attention it would be many more times.

If you read the post I linked which I doubt based on your reply. You would see that I am all for racial equality and being color blind in the USA . Please if you did not read my whole post do so, and I will be happy to debate with you.

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yes I did read your post, you say that the white people of 50 years ago are to blame and that you are not at fault, no you are not but you enjoy the benifits that was layed out for you by your grandparents.If you are for racial equality then first you cannot be color blind. You have to see that one color was held down for a long time so no now is not the time to be color blind. We must first put the color of black back on level ground and let it be established . to be color blind is to be blind to the reality that exist. After 200 years of slavery and by the way its more than 200 and years of segregation there is no way that you can just all of a sudden be color blind. 38 Years of no legal segregation and now we are supposed to be color blind??? No !!

Got to here, was done. Did some other things, came back to try again.



Then hit with the old, "your not black you can't understand" bit, and I was really done.

I went and started my first thread! Yeah me!

Check it out, it relates.

Poll: Stop listening after Slavery?


I was curious if the poster ever said something interesting, maybe I will come back later and try again.

I don't care what race, religion or social status a person is.

so you admit that you dont care about the poor?

Surely you jest. I can turn that interpretation around to suggest that perhaps since I haven't been poor, or black, that I have a greater capacity to care for ALL people, and not just those of my own race, since I don't carry a grudge about the past. I think that white people, who by the way, never had anything to do with slavery or abuses to blacks, have done more as a social entity to show remorse for the institution than blacks have accepted as sincere. That is my entire point in a nutshell. I don't believe that it will ever be enough, because social reactions, and people like Pastor Wright and Meeks seem determined to make sure that blacks won't want it to ever be enough. To leave pain behind does not mean forget it. It just means that there is no choice but to get past it, and make the future better. At this point in time I truly don't believe that the majority of white people fall into the trite category of being "wary of blacks", because if you don't feel hate, you don't tend to look for it in others.

no im not joking nor do i take you for a joke.


ok white people had nothing to do with slavery or abuses to blacks??
so 38 years is enough to wipe out 100s of years of slavery. I Admit yes alot of white are remorseful and as well they should be but 38 years is no where near enough time to heal those wounds.While we are going through this process of healing alot of stuff will come out and in the end we will heal as a people but right now you cannot say " hey we done enough get over it"

Like i said its a healing period and people will react and say things that you dont want to hear, but remember your people was not enslaved nor do you suffer from the ills of what we as blacks go through. There is a lot of anger but soon the more we talk the less the anger will be you as white people must listen if you get angry then we get more angry and on and on... but listen see what your people has done a person cannot stay mad at someone who seeks forgivness and you should be seeking forgiveness for what your ancesters have done. Till this day AMERICA has never apologised for slavery ask yourself why?

38 years is enough to wipe out 100s of years of slavery. I Admit yes alot of white are remorseful and as well they should be but 38 years is no where near enough time to heal those wounds

First of all, you are talking about the passage of the civil rights amendment, not the abolition of slavery. Second, in reality why should I continue to be remorseful, for something I, an individual, my ancestors, also individuals, never ever had anything to do with? I have never mistreated a black person in my life. The reason isn't because I feel responsible for the actions of dead white people. Are you willing to be responsible for all crimes committed by blacks against whites? The rapes and plunders of which you spoke earlier are certainly among those atrocities. Are you trying to heal wounds, or make others to equal those suffered in the past? If that's the case, then we have a problem, and both sides lose. I think the Panthers proved that quite well.

Till this day AMERICA has never apologised for slavery ask yourself why?

Would words really matter? Do you think Jews were appeased when Jesse apologized for "Hymie town"? Should they have been? Admit to blame on both sides for the perpetuation of racism. Because there is blame on both sides.

im talking about both


because of what those within your race have done and how you as a white person benifited from slavery you should be remorsful of what your people done

can you say that for your race on a whole no you cannot nobody is talking to you as an individual


we have a system for dealing with those criminals and they pay by going to jail. tell me who paid for slavery when it was over?? who paid when the segergation law finaly finished. all the slaves that were raped while their husbands were sent out into the feild to pick cotton knowing that their wife was getting raped who paid for that who went to jail, how many slaves died on their trip to the us and carribiean who paid for that nobody!! and you think that 38 years of not being segregated is enough healing?

see this is where ignorance sets in how is by talking about the atrocities of slavery making others or wanting others to suffer from the same type of treatment? That is plain evil, never would i want to see a people suffer the same treatment as slavery.

The nation of Islam didnt and now under the leadership of Imam W D Muhammad it sure as heck is not failing

Then I guess it comes down to this question. What does the white race have to do to make amends? You now have a brand new generation of blacks who have been taught by their elders to perpetuate mistrust. I say this because I have taught black children who have not been on the planet long enough to truly know about the attitudes they repeat. Or perhaps you have witnessed or believe that whites in general hammer on 6-8 year black kids. They are being taught hate at home. Let's do the math. A generation lives 70+ years. Even assuming that none of those children speak of slavery to their own offspring, the reality is that there is at least the better part of another century that this sentiment will prevail, and laws nor apologies will change that human element. The way I see it, the ball is in your court, not mine. I really hope that as a race blacks will rise above this sentiment and someday not waste another today, stewing about yesterday. I don't expect to ever see it.