But the government represents more than just the people ALIVE today, but also America itself, and it is responsible for more matters than CURRENT events.

I see the U.S. government as the representative of the people of U.S., and I see people of running the U.S. government as the representatives of the U.S. government. I hope this is not too confusing.

The question to ask is not only "have Americans enslaved people?" but also "has America allowed enslaving to happen?" The people at fault are dead, but the government that allowed it to happen is not. It doesn't matter now the administration is run by people born 200 years later...they still need to pick up the tabs from previous ones, don't you agree? The image of America also doesn't start clean after January 20th next year, McCain/Obama/Clinton cannot say "don't blame me for Iraq, it was Bush's idea."

If you look at America as a person it might be easier for you to understand where I come from. She is a person who is 231 years old with her 232nd birthday coming up in exactly two months...she had done some wrong before she reached 100 years old but she had since stop doing it. Do you believe she still needs to apologize? Or stop doing it is enough to make up for it?

racist statements, so all pastors in black churches are to be taken as a joke huh? The money spent on affirmative action isnt shit compared to the labour the slaves put into building this country.Another typical racist statement, you want to take the money back when an apology is asked? This is what the US is doing now their going into countries killing the people(men woman and children) then turn around and build schools and give them money and then wonder why the people still hate them. Why dont you just think, you would have to be a real racist if you cannot see that the US should apologise for slavery. The money and all that other should come after the apology.




why were indians told that they dont have to pay taxes then?

the next president has to pick up the slack that the pevious one left.The current government is responsible for the past government actions. Why do you think Germany and Japan is so fucking quiet now? Their past government fucked up big time, even Germany apologised for the treatment of the Jews should the Jews just forget that and move on.



this is an excellent idea or even a holiday to remember slavery a mistake that will never happen again.


as an individual no you havent as a whole yes you have done wrong.


this makes perfect sense!!

I suggested an international day of forgiveness. There are other things than slavery to be forgiven. My idea is to ask for or to give forgiveness for whatever is important to you. A day of healing through forgiving or asking for forgiveness

Did I say that? Do you really think that Wright's treatment can be compared to Jesus??????? No. just that particular pastor is funny, and delusional. Pastor Wright is just racist, and his attempts to "enpower" blacks isn't through spreading the love, as a true Christian would do.

I'll tell you what. If white America apologizes for slavery, will black America ever get over it, quit being 80% of the prison population that everyone else has to support, and stop calling whites "slaveholders", stand together to get Africans to stop mistreating other Africans, (of course, it's a kinder, gentler enslavement over there because blacks would never mistreat each other as badly as whites did), and stay in school so that more can get what they think "racism" is stopping them from getting?

If that would happen, I would apologize for something I never did in a second!

Feel better now?

i agree i also believe that each major atrocity should be at the forfront of this

yes your racist post said that pastors(plural) in black churches (also plural) were funny.

only a real dumb ass would not know that it was the colonialzation of these places that have left the people in the state that they are in now. Your racist KKK Skinhead posts show your true character.

Nash,
I love how you state that "you" should apologize. As if Whites, not Americans should apologize for slavery.
I have as much to do with the enslavement with Africans as you. If I have to apologize, you should as well, are we agreeable to that?

Again, it seems to me, and all others on this forum, that you are the real racist.

Have a nice day feeling sorry for yourself! You're the victim!

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High school Extempers are quite possibly the most brilliant people on Earth.

Not at all. I'm just a person,who happens to be white. I don't need to draw any pride or belonging from a race, I am simply a person, who has tried my best, done without, and not blamed others for my failures. I have been picked on too. Everyone has. It hurts no matter what the reason.

As for the pastors, I can only think of two actually, that I consider "less than appropriate". They are of course, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. If you consider these men to be men of God, then you are a different kind of Christian than I am, assuming that you are. I apologize for grouping all black pastors, it was wrong, since I know no others.

All I have been trying to say all along is that to hold onto the ills of slavery as any kind of excuse for anything that is happening today, is weak, and defeatist.
38 years isn't long enough. What year will be long enough? I think never. I think it will be milked forever, since there has been no indication over the last 38 years that the black race will ever trust or have anything but contempt for the white race. It's not fair, and I'm not having it. If that's racist, then I am.

That's a lie. Actually every country that the Africans have kicked the whites out of is worse off now. They don't know how to farm the land, or just won't, and there's no food.

Inflation in Zimbabwe is 500,000%! Who has been running that country for decades?

The Cocoa plantations in Ghana are not run by whites. Those "slaveholders" are black.

The difference between us, is that I can accept that the white race is culpable, feel bad for those who actually DID have to suffer the sin of slavery, and move on, trying to ever be a better human being, because there really ain't nothing else to do with life. Unless of course, you want to feel victimized, and without hope, and feed on anger, an end to which men like Wright lead you.

If you spent less time looking for "key" words to prove your point, and listened to another person's "suggestion" of another thought process on the subject, you might find that most people don't want to dislike anyone for any reason, and usually only will if that person means true harm. You only see skin. I think your race "only sees skin" a lot more than the white race does. I hope I live to see the day when I no longer feel that way.
You don't make me feel hopeful so much....

To try to understand where another is comming from, without expierencing life through THEIR eyes, is not only short-sighted its also disrespectful as well. All of lifes varied expierences, coupled with ones environmental factors then colored with heritage (eg. black slavery) will ultimatly determine what a person may think their choices are. *Please note that I did say "think" when refering to choices....All too often people accept the fate to which they were born. Imagine growing up in your average American black ghetto where the police don't come around, drugs are sold literally in front of your house and having a "city job" is considered to be success (no disrecpect to the city workers). A place where you have to run from your doorstep to the bus stop for fear of being shot or simlpy robbed and beaten. Where health problems go untreated and your wizest elders can still remember what black America used to be like only 50 years ago. eh hm Rosa Parks (need I say more). Is you neighborhood like that. Mine isn't. How could I then possibly pretend to understand. Perhapse if we acknowledge it we might actually have to do something about it. There will be no real peace till everyone accepts their role, black AND whie.

You want to be christian. Do it.

Try to empithize with your fellow man instead of judging or condeming him without a thought to his circumstances. Maybe you can pull yourself up from trecherous times but how about your weaker brother or sister? Its time for us to stop blaming one another and recognize the real truth.

As long as my brother is tired, hungry, poor or opressed then so am I.

There is no difference between you and I. Only the impression there of.

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