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12-05-2006, 02:41 PM
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The religion of peace
Found this on Boortz.com today:
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We covered this on the air yesterday, but again people are demanding details.
We've often asked on the air why, if Islam the peaceful religion that many Muslims want us to believe it is, we don't hear more Muslims speaking out against Islamic terrorism. Well, now we may have an explanation.
Jamal Miftah is a Muslim residing in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He is an immigrant from Pakistan. Jamal Miftah is a member of the Islamic Center of Tulsa Mosque. On October 29th Jiftah wrote an article for the op-ed page of the Tulsa World. Here is what he wrote:
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Because of lack of knowledge of Islam, Muslim youth are misguided into believing by the so-called champions of the cause of Islam that the current spate of killings and barbarism, which has no equal in the recent civilized history, is jihad in the name of Islam. They are incited, in the name of Islam, to commit heinous crimes not pardonable by any religion and strictly forbidden in Islam....
Even mosques and Islamic institutions in the U.S. and around the world have become tools in [Al-Qaeda's] hands and are used for collecting funds for their criminal acts. Half of the funds collected go into the pockets of their local agents and the rest are sent to these thugs.
They are the reason for branding the peaceful religion of Islam as terrorism. The result, therefore, is in the form of Danish cartoons and remarks/reference by the Pope.
I appeal to the Muslim youth in particular and Muslims of the world in general to rise up and start jihad against the killers of humanity and help the civilized world to bring these culprits to justice and prove that Islam is not a religion of hatred and aggression.
I appeal to the Muslim clerics around the world that, rather than issuing empty fatwas condemning suicide bombing, they should issue a fatwa for the death of such scoundrels and barbarians who have taken more than 4,267 lives of innocent people in the name of Islam and have carried out more than 24 terrorist attacks on civilian installations throughout the world. This does not include the chilling number of deaths because of such activities in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is well over 250,000.
I appeal to al-Zawahri and his band of thugs to hand themselves over to justice and stop spreading evil and killing innocent humans around the world in the name of Islam. Their time is limited and Muslims of the world will soon rise against them to apprehend them and bring them to justice.
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Well, that's a pretty striking condemnation of Islamic violence from a Muslim, wouldn't you say? Well it certainly didn't go over well with Jamal's fellow Tulsa Mosque. Jamal Miftah was expelled from his Mosque. The governing board has since ruled he can return. He has also been subjected to death threats and threats of violence from his fellow members of the religion of peace. Miftah was told that he should not criticize Islam in front of non-Muslims. I've re-read Jamal's letter, and for the life of me I can't see where he criticized Islam. I guess that if you criticize any Muslim that is considered to be criticizing Islam.
If you search the blogs on this matter you'll see a letter from Jamal Miftah responding to this situation. He says: "I am Jamal Miftah and I stand by what I have written. America is great country and so its people and I hope and pray that one day justice is done to the victims of 9/11, no matter what Mr. Kabbani, the Imam of Tulsa mosque or Mr. Abu Waleed, the spokesman for Islamic Society of Tulsa feel or say. God bless America."
Now there is one Muslim I would be proud to have as a neighbor and count as a friend.
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Here is the link in the story:
tulsaworld.com: News
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12-05-2006, 06:56 PM
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Exactly. WTF?
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12-05-2006, 07:37 PM
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What's the moral of the story?
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12-05-2006, 09:23 PM
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Do you really not see the point of this story? Because it shines like the sun to me.
The Cliff Notes version is this, a Muslim decides to stand up and call a spade a spade. He says that what the terrorists are doing in their name is wrong and is kicked out of his Mosque. Granted he is let back, but he also has death threats against him now.
Reminds me of the death threats to the Pope when he stood up as well.
And how many times have we heard that Islam is the religion of peace?
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12-06-2006, 07:16 AM
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He is not alone--many Muslims here and in the violent region have said similar. He is pretty good at his points.
But as I have said before there is about 2 billion Muslim and 99% of them do not carry placards, throw bombs, commit suicide; their only concern is to provide for their families and be faithful to Islam.
Most people condemn all Muslims for what they see on TV, regarless of which BS you listen to, Muslims are not bad people.
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12-06-2006, 07:54 AM
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I just want to point out something. In many countries, mosques are belong to religious communities and funded by them, so these small communities can easily held by fundamentalists, as a measure, in my country mosques are belong to public and directed by a state institute "Religious Affairs". Officials of Religious Affairs are academicians of theological faculities. As a benefit of it, the institute sends weekly instructions to imams of mosques that how imams would enlight ppl on the given subject in the light of islam.. one week imams advice to the ppl to condemn terrorism and violence, other week they advice about preventing violence in families or benefits of education etc..
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12-06-2006, 08:04 AM
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Doesn't change the fact it's a religion of violence and assholes.
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12-06-2006, 08:18 AM
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Sorry, BUG I cannot agree. When I was in the area I found most Muslims friendly, open and caring individuals. But then I spent time talking with locals in Cafe's. The main thing I learned from these meetings and talks was that if I smoke at the table everyone smokes.
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12-06-2006, 08:32 AM
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Not what I saw. They were arrogant and very bigoted people.
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12-06-2006, 09:14 AM
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Thats all well and good that 99% of the Muslims are peaceful, but why, here in America, should this guy get death threats for saying what he said. These people might not want to bomb us, but it is still pretty scary to think that the muslims in this country are "programmed" in such a way that they would kick out and threaten one of their bretheren for not towing the line some Imam told him to tow, even though his point is really f'n valid.
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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.
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