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Old 11-01-2007, 01:18 PM
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Alright, that seems a fair description.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:27 PM
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Sorry, but I take what they call themselves and how they define themselves over the latin (is it latin? or some other old language) meaning of the word. Thus, why I have issues with words like *** (bundle of sticks) and bitch (female dog). I go with today's meaning.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:40 PM
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Well I am happy to know now, how to name my position:
Weak atheism.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:03 PM
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I admit, I haven't read any of the posts but liked the question.

I am an athiest and yes, like everyone else I was born one.

People only develop religious beliefs through brain-washing well after birth. No one believes in god when they are born. It takes the repeated telling of myths and personal insecurity before someone believes in religion.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:47 PM
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believes that one cannot know for a fact whether or not god exists
I don't think so, Agnostic as I have always heard it means someone who doesn't know whether there is a God or not. Not necessarily that it's impossible to know, just that they themselves don't know. Whereas an Atheist is someone who actually thinks there is no God.
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:21 AM
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The problem is that, whilst there is not one defitinion for what Christians believe, people want there to be one cleardefinition for what agnostics or atheists believe.

What I mean is, like there are different Christians, there will logically be different kinds of agnostics etc.

Some Christians believe also in saints and the Virgin, whilst others find this repulsive, as an example.

So there is different levels of Agnostics. I myself believe that at this time, it is not possible for us to know. Religion can not give us the clear answer, nor can science, as both has shortcommings. I belive that there is the possibility that there is a godfigure, probably not a persona God as org. reigion believes, but it s not possible, right now, to know. Others Agnosicss will lie on another part of the Agnsotic scale, and believe we can not know wheter God exist ever.

The same with Atheists, there will be Atheists on different parts of the scale.

Alas yes, even non-believers has scisms!

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Old 11-02-2007, 11:32 AM
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Deism is belief in a god without religion.
How can believing in a God not be a religion?
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:35 AM
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I am Roman Catholic by birth and have always practiced my faith.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:09 PM
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How can believing in a God not be a religion?
It is believing in a God figure, but one that isn't described by any religion. Mostly believeing that there is a God, but that God hasn't communicated to poeple to have them wright a book about him to worship him and such.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:14 PM
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My problem with that definition though, is that everyone is agnostic because virtually nobody knows whether God exists or not. Also, agnostics act as though it is a seperate, individual religious standpoint when it isn't, If someone 'doesn't know' whether God exists or not has no barring on whether they believe God exists.
I think what the difference between Agnostics with there belief, is that they know that they don't know and therefore they don't take sides, what you call Atheisism. So there isn't much difference between them.

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And someone who thinks there is no God is a 'strong atheist', which should have it's own distinguished name because people like to straw man and misrepresent atheists using it.
But there are a lot of "strong atheists" that call themselves atheists, and don't refer to seperate branches in Atheisism to distinguish them from other, non-strong atheists.
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