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Old 10-29-2007, 08:18 PM
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Question for Athiests

If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:46 PM
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If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?
Not only Athiests belive such things as a big bang. So it dosn't neccesarily "dissprove" God's existance in our universe.

These are just theories with no explanations. We don't know. Could it be possible that there is no God? Well according to the Bible, we can't prove he exists AT ALL untill we are in his embraise, but is it possilbe? Certainly. Can it be possible this Big Bang happened? As of now we can't prove it, but is it possible? Certainly.
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Humans or the universe? The universe didn't 'come into' existence it has always been there. If you can accept the idea of God having no begining than why can't the same apply to the universe itself? Why do you guys think it is impossible the universe didn't 'begin'?

It wasn't given, it was always there. But the same un-intuitive idea's apply to god.
How then did all the items in the universe just create themselves? How can they merely come into being without being created? How can you tell me that the universe has always existed when we have a highly probable theory that suggests that it was created through an explosion of mass proportions and energy? What too gave the atom or whatever it was the means of a violent reaction in which it was able to erupt, spawning the universe?
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How then did all the items in the universe just create themselves? How can they merely come into being without being created? How can you tell me that the universe has always existed when we have a highly probable theory that suggests that it was created through an explosion of mass proportions and energy? What too gave the atom or whatever it was the means of a violent reaction in which it was able to erupt, spawning the universe?
which items are you refering to?
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which items are you refering to?
Every atom, molecule, compound. Any gas, liquid, solid, molten hot salt ro what not. Planets, fire, asteroids, moons etc. you get me drift?
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which items are you refering to?
I assume he went everything. Item is a harsh word, but what else would you use? "things?"
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thats what the big bang was, all those items came together, probably more gas's and molecules, and the force from the explosion formed the elements that eventually through gravity all came together and formed planets, suns, ect... Have you ever seen how the moon was created, its crazy
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thats what the big bang was, all those items came together, probably more gas's and molecules, and the force from the explosion formed the elements that eventually through gravity all came together and formed planets, suns, ect... Have you ever seen how the moon was created, its crazy
Yes, but we were asking, or rather the thread is asking, how we can we conclude God doesnt exist from this theory, or how can we subsitute this theory for God
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Yes, but we were asking, or rather the thread is asking, how we can we conclude God doesnt exist from this theory, or how can we subsitute this theory for God
i think that was just one question in the OP, but on that id have you cant, there too unrelated theorys
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Why is god seen as a supernatural being, what is to say we are gods creation. We are the only ones that we know of that praise him, but there are tons of galaxies that go on forever. So is there a planet out there that doesn’t praise a god? These questions can't be answered. They just never will be answered and the world just has to accept everyone’s belief. We live we die, and to some we go to heaven. To me I go in the soil for a worm and some beetles to infest my body.
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