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Oregon Elephant · 10-31-2007, 02:19 AM

I've always viewed time as a spiral, we measure and moniter the circles, but it still progress in a straigt line. We never get back to the same point.

Oregon Elephant · 10-31-2007, 02:20 AM

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Probably better looking than me, but I have a deep voice that draws in chicks like fish with a fishing pole.

Actually it's the lure that draws in the fish

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counterpointing · 10-31-2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

I've always viewed time as a spiral, we measure and moniter the circles, but it still progress in a straigt line. We never get back to the same point.

That may well be. But there’s no way to know. I like mysteries, especially when they were never meant to be solved.

Slartibartfas · 10-31-2007, 04:11 PM

Someone wrote time is claimed to be infinite. Who says that?
Time is a function of the space and mass. I am not sure it exists outside of this universe at all. What speaks against supposing that time was created with the birth of the universe and why can't it end again with it?

But even if there is no end. Lets say it is uncertain if it collapses or not (ie if there is an end or not). And lets suppose if it ends we can exist and if not we can't. Is the answer for the question if we really exist then uncertain as well? Sorry but that sounds too much like the Schrödinger cat... and I hate cats

Oregon Elephant · 10-31-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

Someone wrote time is claimed to be infinite. Who says that?
Time is a function of the space and mass. I am not sure it exists outside of this universe at all. What speaks against supposing that time was created with the birth of the universe and why can't it end again with it?

But even if there is no end. Lets say it is uncertain if it collapses or not (ie if there is an end or not). And lets suppose if it ends we can exist and if not we can't. Is the answer for the question if we really exist then uncertain as well? Sorry but that sounds too much like the Schrödinger cat... and I hate cats

Well don't look at the cat (unless it's meowing is keeping you up at night, than look at it to finish it)

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Time and Spacetime are two different things. Time is the concept of what was and when it was, spacetime is what effects how it passes us as we are in it. As spacetime compresses and expands, the passing of time appears to change (on a infinatly small scale), we still are uncertian of it and how it works. Right now the LIGO project is trying to find gravity waves (not doing so hot so far, but trying). By detecting and observing gravity waves, we will see more about spacetime.

LessGovMrPrez · 10-31-2007, 04:43 PM

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If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?

Man did you just present a hell of a question...lol.

This is why I go with God. I mean at some point there had to be something to create the big bang. But what created that something that caused the big bang? And what caused that something, something to happen? And that something, something, something to happen? Someone or something had to create the first bit of dust or particle. Someone or something had to create the conditions and space for that first particle to be in. The possibilities are endless, but there had to be a beginning at some point.

Slartibartfas · 10-31-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Well don't look at the cat (unless it's meowing is keeping you up at night, than look at it to finish it)

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Time and Spacetime are two different things. Time is the concept of what was and when it was, spacetime is what effects how it passes us as we are in it. As spacetime compresses and expands, the passing of time appears to change (on a infinatly small scale), we still are uncertian of it and how it works. Right now the LIGO project is trying to find gravity waves (not doing so hot so far, but trying). By detecting and observing gravity waves, we will see more about spacetime.

It does not only appear to go on differently, it really does. It makes no difference if you put a human into a very fast spaceship or a stone. Both will have passed less time than the one on earth.

If space time stops entirely to move, I cant see how "Time" in general would be able to do anything else than come to a halt.

Oregon Elephant · 10-31-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

It does not only appear to go on differently, it really does. It makes no difference if you put a human into a very fast spaceship or a stone. Both will have passed less time than the one on earth.

If space time stops entirely to move, I cant see how "Time" in general would be able to do anything else than come to a halt.

Time wouldn't exist from inside where spacetime came to a stop. But from outside of where the spacetime has stopped, it can be observed how long was it stopped. When you get into special relativity, the passing of time works differently depending on the movement of mass within that spacetime.

iTaliAN_ICe · 10-31-2007, 05:23 PM

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Well who created time? We created time, so is there really such a thing or is it like making a tally sheet for every instance that passes. So without time we would live either longer or shorter. Your mind predicts time and creates this thought of how long something takes. For example a normal ant that has a life expectancy of say 3 months, would think it lives long because of all the work it does in that short time. But a turtle that lives for 150 years say would think it has a short life because it swims all day and then lays eggs. So really what is "time"?

Time is not an entity that can be observed per se. "Time" doesn't really exist; it's just something we use to explain the sequence of events that have occurred throughout existence, and to differentiate between what has already occurred and what is currently occurring.

Slartibartfas · 11-01-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Time wouldn't exist from inside where spacetime came to a stop. But from outside of where the spacetime has stopped, it can be observed how long was it stopped. When you get into special relativity, the passing of time works differently depending on the movement of mass within that spacetime.

I know that it passes differently. In singularities its supposed to come to a halt isnt it? If all that exists, if the entire universe is a single singularity. Where should be the outside? There is no outside. Hence my question, where should be a time then?