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Ah yes, but if you are walking, doesn't it mean that you can stop at some point?
If time is finite. In the situation I presented, walking is analogically representative of the passage of time. To stop walking would be stopping time, suggesting that time has an end... meaning it also had a beginning... I think.
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By "cycle", do you mean that you believe in an oscillatory universe that cyclically expands from a singularity (big bang) and contracts back into a singularity to expand again... an infinite series of finite universes?

Still, where does it begin?
Who said that has to be a beginning? This is a thought of man because we began, so why does everything else have to "have a beginning". I mean look at everything then atoms for example, the smallest compound to anything. So we think because that is as small as we can imagine. Where did it "beginning" come from? Does there have to be a "beginning"? Just something to think about.
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By "cycle", do you mean that you believe in an oscillatory universe that cyclically expands from a singularity (big bang) and contracts back into a singularity to expand again... an infinite series of finite universes?

Still, where does it begin?
Who knows. Maybe a big bang goes off every minute, and there are mega black holes that re-big bang. The universe is to big to think one knows everything, so I can see the want of people to believe in a god, and an easy explanation. But time must be more than a ticking clock.

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Who said that has to be a beginning? This is a thought of man because we began, so why does everything else have to "have a beginning". I mean look at everything then atoms for example, the smallest compound to anything. So we think because that is as small as we can imagine. Where did it "beginning" come from? Does there have to be a "beginning"? Just something to think about.
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Who said that has to be a beginning? This is a thought of man because we began, so why does everything else have to "have a beginning".
Because if there was no beginning, there would be no end, making time infinite. But time can't be infinite: if there was an infinite amount of time before the present, we would never have reached the present or traveled forward in time at all. Thus, time has a beginning.

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I mean look at everything then atoms for example, the smallest compound to anything. So we think because that is as small as we can imagine. Where did it "beginning" come from? Does there have to be a "beginning"? Just something to think about.
I see what you're saying, but the infiniteness of size and and the infiniteness of time are very different.
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Because if there was no beginning, there would be no end, making time infinite. But time can't be infinite: if there was an infinite amount of time before the present, we would never have reached the present or traveled forward in time at all. Thus, time has a beginning.
Well who created time? We created time, so is there really such a thing or is it like making a tally sheet for every instance that passes. So without time we would live either longer or shorter. Your mind predicts time and creates this thought of how long something takes. For example a normal ant that has a life expectancy of say 3 months, would think it lives long because of all the work it does in that short time. But a turtle that lives for 150 years say would think it has a short life because it swims all day and then lays eggs. So really what is "time"?
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I see what you're saying, but the infiniteness of size and and the infiniteness of time are very different.
There is something of a human fallacy. This is not a personal attack, I just want to say that it is our nature to presume we know reality. However, size and time have been linked by mathematicians. Gravity, space/time, mass, weight, is all interactive, the same, or who knows?
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Time is not something that is solid. It is a measurement, like numbers. You can't touch numbers or say they begin here and end hear. Time doesn't "start" at infinity and move forward, it is a measurement that extends backwards and fowards from now, like numbers from 0.
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