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counterpointing · 10-31-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Just because no one responded to you doesn't mean that they all agree with you.

And with that siad, your theory is flawed, just because something extends in both ways infinately, doesn't mean that the middle can't exist. It just means that from every point it extends forever in both directions. You're never getting closer to either side, no matter how far you go, but there is still a middle that can be marked, it just can't be marked with respect to the ends (because there are no ends).

So we agree, we are in the middle. Therefore, the beginning stretches into the past for infinity. So the beginning just gets further and further away. Time could not reach where we are now. You can’t add to infinity. 1 + infinity is still infinity.

Kazikli Bey · 10-31-2007, 12:36 AM

Actually, it is one more then infinity

iTaliAN_ICe · 10-31-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by counterpointing

So we agree, we are in the middle.

We can't be in the middle of an infinite amount of time if time itself is not infinite. As you've said, if time is infinite, there would be an infinite amount of time before the present, meaning we would have never reached this moment or traveled forward in time at all.

Thus, time cannot be infinite and is either terminating or extends infinitely into the future from a given point in the past.

This is confusing...

counterpointing · 10-31-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

We can't be in the middle of an infinite amount of time if time itself is not infinite. As you've said, if time is infinite, there would be an infinite amount of time before the present, meaning we would have never reached this moment or traveled forward in time at all.

Thus, time cannot be infinite and is either terminating or extends infinitely into the future from a given point in the past.

This is confusing...

That’s why I give a small amount of credence to some of the eastern religions, for they say that time is a cycle. Even some of the Native Americans did. The start/finish timeline doesn’t peak my interest too much. I believe in something higher, but not a god. That’s too simple, and so is said timeline.

Kazikli Bey · 10-31-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by counterpointing

So we agree, we are in the middle.

You can't be in the middle of infinity because that logically means that infinity has a begginning and an end, it'd be more correct to say that we are somewhere along infinity.

counterpointing · 10-31-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

You can't be in the middle of infinity because that logically means that infinity has a begginning and an end, it'd be more correct to say that we are somewhere along infinity.

The middle being relative, because in the timeline I do not accept, from “the now” time would go forward and backward for infinity. There for, metaphorically or not, we would be in a constant state of centricity.

iTaliAN_ICe · 10-31-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

You can't be in the middle of infinity because that logically means that infinity has a begginning and an end, it'd be more correct to say that we are somewhere along infinity.

But to be somewhere along infinity also requires a beginning and an end, does it not? Imagine that you had spent your whole life walking. Since you have no destination, you are technically no closer to it then when you began.

Kazikli Bey · 10-31-2007, 01:13 AM

Ah yes, but if you are walking, doesn't it mean that you can stop at some point?

iTaliAN_ICe · 10-31-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by counterpointing

That’s why I give a small amount of credence to some of the eastern religions, for they say that time is a cycle. Even some of the Native Americans did. The start/finish timeline doesn’t peak my interest too much. I believe in something higher, but not a god. That’s too simple, and so is said timeline.

By "cycle", do you mean that you believe in an oscillatory universe that cyclically expands from a singularity (big bang) and contracts back into a singularity to expand again... an infinite series of finite universes?

Still, where does it begin?

Kazikli Bey · 10-31-2007, 01:22 AM

In a small space where gas is continually entering at an exponential speed, causing high pressure until the space blows up and expands.