Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?

Originally Posted by educatedvoter88

This is something that I love to talk about, the Big bang theory doesnt necessarily disprove the existance of God, but it does sort of disprove the theory of creation. And the energy for the Big Bang is thought to come from the stretching of the matter before the Big Bang, and while scientists can speculate back to a thousanth of a second after the Big bang, they are unsure of what it was before.

The stretching of the universe caused the universal temperature to change to a point where the atom and life could just naturally form, but honestly I dont know too much about the formation of the atoms on space, but look up this thing called DARK MATTER and DARK ENERGY, I dont know if you've heard of it, but that might help clear some things up for you.

The Big Bang is basically the term for the stretching of the universe, it is not an actual explosion.

Hope this helps

Originally Posted by Yarn

Stephen Hawking claims that black holes have a finite lifespan. He says that they emit a certain form of radiation, and has come to this conclusion through applying Quantam and Gravity theory together in certain circumstances where they don't conflict.

Originally Posted by counterpointing

I’m not going to argue with what you said, but I would like to add something. The Big Bang is the product of an observation: the way galaxies move. One theory is that the start of Big Bang is everything in the universe in one spot, condensed into a mega black hole that explodes, and after the Bang each galaxy forms a new black hole and starts the process anew.

Originally Posted by educatedvoter88

And each galaxy does not turn to a black hole after the big bang, otherwise the milky way would be one, which its not, the black holes form from galaxies colliding or extremely large supernovae.

Originally Posted by educatedvoter88

Thats not the Big Bang Theory, and if it is, its a very outdated one. I did an entire research paper on it and the Big Bang Theory is not an explosion at, merely the stretching and cooling of the universe.

Originally Posted by Yarn

counterpointing:

Naturalist: “advocate of naturalism: a believer in or adherent of naturalism, especially in the arts” naturalism: “belief in religious truth from nature: a belief that all religious truth is derived from nature and natural causes, and not from revelation 3. doctrine rejecting spiritual explanations of world: a system of thought that rejects all spiritual and supernatural explanations of the world and holds that science is the sole basis of what can be known”

Naturalist sounds more philosophically affluent.

It sounds better, and you are one. That doesn't mean you aren't an atheist as well, but it does give you something else and better to call yourself which designates you as an unbeliever.

Sometimes I call myself a humanist.

A quiz you can use to determine whether or not you are a humanist:
Humanist Association of San Diego -- Are You a Humanist?

Humanists tend to believe that ultimate moral good is human being, dignity, freedom, achievement, and happieness. Substitute "being which is either human, or is of a species with a human level of intelligence or higher" for "human being", and that is more or less my entire moral code.

Originally Posted by counterpointing

Then why do scientist widely accept that there are black holes at the center of galaxies?

“Astronomers scanning the universe for active black holes sometimes overlook the suspected black hole lying quietly in the center of their own galaxy. But this week, a new study has the Milky Way and our hometown black hole at the center of attention.
Working with the Keck Telescope in Hawaii, researchers Andrea Ghez and her colleagues at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) have yielded the best proof yet that a source of radio waves known as Sagittarius A* (Sgr A*, pronounced Sagittarius A Star) is in fact the Milky Ways resident black hole.”
SPACE.com -- Scientists Pinpoint Milky Way Galaxy's Black Hole

“Could Einstein have possibly anticipated directly testing the most captivating prediction of general relativity, that there exist isolated pockets of spacetime shielded completely from our own? Now, almost a century after that theory emerged, one of the world's leading astrophysicists presents a wealth of recent evidence that just such an entity, with a mass of about three million suns, is indeed lurking at the center of our galaxy, the Milky Way--in the form of a supermassive ''black hole''!”
Melia, F.: The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy.



The big band wasn’t an explosion? The known universe went from small to very, very, very big. Explosion can be used to describe the Big Bang, and I will show you how.

“The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.”
Cosmology: Big Bang Theory

Explosion:
“1. sudden noisy release of energy: the sudden loud release of energy and a rapidly expanding volume of gas that occurs when a bomb detonates or gas explodes”

---I agree, it was not noisy.

Explosion: “5. dramatic increase: a sudden and dramatic increase in something such as a population or an activity. 6. intense display: a vivid, often sudden display of light or color”

---These meanings fit with the Big Band theory. You can use explosion after all.

Evidance for the Big Bang:
First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.
Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.
Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.
Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.

“In 2003, Physicist Robert Gentry proposed an attractive alternative to the standard theory, an alternative which also accounts for the evidences listed above.5 Dr. Gentry claims that the standard Big Bang model is founded upon a faulty paradigm (the Friedmann-lemaitre expanding-spacetime paradigm) which he claims is inconsistent with the empirical data. He chooses instead to base his model on Einstein's static-spacetime paradigm which he claims is the "genuine cosmic Rosetta." Gentry has published several papers outlining what he considers to be serious flaws in the standard Big Bang model.”
Big Bang Theory

The Big Bang is not just hard science. Do you agree with Robert Gentry and Albert Einstein, or with others? You can’t make definite statements of truth as you have done. We don’t know if anything existed before the Big one, or if it did not. We don’t even know if space-time came from the Big Bang or not. It is all speculation. The expansion of matter and the heat signature are the only thing based on observation.