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10-29-2007, 09:47 PM
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thats what the big bang was, all those items came together, probably more gas's and molecules, and the force from the explosion formed the elements that eventually through gravity all came together and formed planets, suns, ect... Have you ever seen how the moon was created, its crazy
Is seeing how the moon was created as crazy as seeing how god created man?
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10-29-2007, 11:24 PM
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If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?
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The Big Bang is not the beginning. There are no beginnings. Let’s look at the facts.
Infinity is impossible for both the God worshipers and the unbelievers. I’m not talking about that old theory that claimed that the infinity between A and B would prevent A from ever reaching B. No, that theory has been proven mathematically wrong. But, when you have to remove the limits of A (That is the beginning of time itself) and B (the end of time) because they continue forever without a place at the former or latter, then A can never reach B in the boundless timeline.
What if God was A? now, if we are between A and B, then we would never exist, for the reason that since we are at “AB“ the middle, then A would stretch forever into the past. God would never have created the earth.
The only way to rationalize the Bid Bang theory is to suggest that it is a cycle. It is part of the cycle of life and death. Plants, animals, humans, stars, are all part of a cycle. And since a cycle has bounds, then it is also rational.
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10-30-2007, 12:33 AM
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I'm an atheist, but I'm not a scientist. I can't rationalize the Big Bang any better than a theist can rationalize the existence of god(s). It's nice to have real scientific theories for people to potentially build upon though, rather than taking the approach of some Christians and saying "god's work is beyond our rationale. don't bother thinking about it."
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10-30-2007, 02:05 AM
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^^^ I'M WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
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10-30-2007, 02:58 AM
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How then did all the items in the universe just create themselves? How can they merely come into being without being created? How can you tell me that the universe has always existed when we have a highly probable theory that suggests that it was created through an explosion of mass proportions and energy? What too gave the atom or whatever it was the means of a violent reaction in which it was able to erupt, spawning the universe?
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A lot of people also have problem with the dead chemicals to life theory (abiogensis) as the origins of life, especially when you take into consideration the Theory of Biogenesis, where it is currently observed that life only comes from life.
And if abiogenesis were to be true, it's hard to explain it happening by random chance, especially given that it has yet to purposely be achieved in a controlled environment. That's really mind boggling when you think about it.
Of course, I'm not trying to attack anyone's atheism here. I'm just making a point that belief in a Deity is not irrational like the way some people boldly state.
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10-30-2007, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE=Kazikli Bey;99890]If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?
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Becase someone can believe that all creatures can be alone born to the land volcans of stars, if just wait to time passed.
Is'nt it magic that we are born alone all together from stars fired?
What is to believe easy to born alone or to creation or to immigration from somewhere?
If it is the immigration, the original was created or born alone as like super magic from galaxies firering?
Not logic! To Believe alone borning all creatures from fire, that is much more difficult miracle thing than the belief of creation, don't you think so?
The exists all there are some reasons to given, in my thought.
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10-30-2007, 12:20 PM
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Seems to be far too much black and white thinking going on when addressing this subject, IMHO. Let me ask this, there is the Big Bang and there is the Bible which states that God said Let There Be Light, doesn't anyone else here see that these two items are not mutually exclusive. Science is based on proving theories using facts, Religion is based on faith, one can have a strong faith in God and still believe that Science is just a method that helps us explain the workings of the universe we live in. As someone that does believe in God I have never felt my personal beliefs to be threatened by science.
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10-30-2007, 12:34 PM
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Seems to be far too much black and white thinking going on when addressing this subject, IMHO. Let me ask this, there is the Big Bang and there is the Bible which states that God said Let There Be Light, doesn't anyone else here see that these two items are not mutually exclusive. Science is based on proving theories using facts, Religion is based on faith, one can have a strong faith in God and still believe that Science is just a method that helps us explain the workings of the universe we live in. As someone that does believe in God I have never felt my personal beliefs to be threatened by science.
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Welcome aboard Casper. This is certainly something to consider and I believe the same way you do. The book of Genesis was written by Moses, and I feel that it is safe to say that he (let alone the entire world at that time) had no real idea about cosmotology or astrophysics going back to the big bang. He had to wright what happened in the best way that he could describe. That doesn't mean that God didn't create or spark the big bang, it means that when humans recorded what he did, they "dumbed it down" to a scientific level that they could understand.
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10-30-2007, 01:19 PM
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Thanks
Thanks for the Welcome. I agree 100% with your thinking on the subject, too bad so many have not used the tool provided us to come to same simple conclussion. I would have thought it would be obvious to anyone that stopped for a moment and really thought it out using a bit of simple logic and maybe just a little faith.
Glad to met ya. I just came from a board that was getting way out of hand with the personal attacks and insults, felt it was time to move on, so far this forum is a very refreshing change.
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10-30-2007, 01:25 PM
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We have to remember that the big bang theory is just that, a theory. It is constantly being modified and changed as we learn more about gravity waves and dark matter.
But there is no correlation to BB and Religion in science. All it does is disproves (if BB is proven to be true) that God didn't create the world and universe in the way that people thought thousands of years ago.
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