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11-09-2007, 11:31 AM
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You can't really dismiss a claim as stupid or inferior without providing a better one yourself
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It seems that I just did so it appears that you can after all.
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It does? Feel free to elaborate...
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You don't think that stories about "parting seas" magical fairies in the clouds and other utter nonsense is good enough?
Tell Peter that Mrs. Pan misses him.
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Originally Posted by OE
Sorry for the typo, but yes. However, not all LC's suscribe to Anarchists Communism. Some believe in a very small government with no power.
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Thanks for trying to instruct the 25 year Communist about Communism - my advice to you: stick with what you know.
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11-09-2007, 12:26 PM
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#112 (permalink)
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Thanks for trying to instruct the 25 year Communist about Communism - my advice to you: stick with what you know.
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I was saying that there is a difference between Libertain Communism and Anarchy Communism, which you implied were the same thing. I wasn't "instructing" you about communism. From one communist to another, thanks for the advice  .
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11-09-2007, 02:22 PM
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Oi
I was saying that there is a difference between Libertain Communism and Anarchy Communism, which you implied were the same thing. I wasn't "instructing" you about communism. From one communist to another, thanks for the advice  .
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I know what you're "trying to say" and you're wrong.
Hence why I said "stick with what you know".
Anarchist communism - an introduction | libcom.org
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11-09-2007, 02:51 PM
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From your own link,
"some libertarian communists, such as council communists, are not anarchists. What distinguishes anarchist communism from other variants of libertarian communism is the formers opposition to all forms of political power, hierarchy and domination."
I guess I am wrong, there are no differences between AC and LC. Face it, most LC are AC, but some aren't, which is why I asked you to clarify. I'm not sure why you took so much offense in it, it would seem that you aren't very strong in you beliefs if you get so defense about it when asked a simple question.
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11-09-2007, 10:48 PM
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It seems that I just did so it appears that you can after all.
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Good one...
Until you can present a better "answer", I'll have to assume that you don't actually have one.
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You don't think that stories about "parting seas" magical fairies in the clouds and other utter nonsense is good enough?
Tell Peter that Mrs. Pan misses him.
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Something can't "disprove itself." That doesn't make any sense at all. Think about how you worded your claim and hopefully you'll be able to see your error in logic.
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11-09-2007, 11:44 PM
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If the Big Bang theory is true but God doesn't exist at all, how then have we come to being? And more importantly, what gave the energy for the Big Bang? What created the Atom or whatever it was responsible for the Big Bang? And how necassarily does the Big Bang disprove the existance of God?
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Here's a better question, if God created us all and it wasn't the Big Bang, then where did God come from? And where did all this power God has come from?
If you believe a god created all that is, why do you believe it's only one god? Why not thousands? or millions of gods?
You cannot prove or disprove the existence of gods, but you can using logic, conclude that God as we know him almost certainly does not exist, as the likelyhood that men could imagine gods as exactly as they really are is preposterous.
The belief in Christianity rests on the belief that there is only one such god, and that it interacts with us, and that it interacted with some men between 2000-6000 years ago to tell us all about him. No skeptic, or logical person could believe that Jesus is the son of said god, and that what these old books tells us about this god are true.
Gods or a God could exist, there is no doubting that, but why not assume what we have observed and hypothesized is true, rather then believing in things that a couple guys thousands of years ago came up with based on imagination only?
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11-10-2007, 01:06 AM
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Here's a better question, if God created us all and it wasn't the Big Bang, then where did God come from? And where did all this power God has come from?
If you believe a god created all that is, why do you believe it's only one god? Why not thousands? or millions of gods?
You cannot prove or disprove the existence of gods, but you can using logic, conclude that God as we know him almost certainly does not exist, as the likelyhood that men could imagine gods as exactly as they really are is preposterous.
The belief in Christianity rests on the belief that there is only one such god, and that it interacts with us, and that it interacted with some men between 2000-6000 years ago to tell us all about him. No skeptic, or logical person could believe that Jesus is the son of said god, and that what these old books tells us about this god are true.
Gods or a God could exist, there is no doubting that, but why not assume what we have observed and hypothesized is true, rather then believing in things that a couple guys thousands of years ago came up with based on imagination only?
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Actually, in christianity, there are many "gods" as they would be discribed in other religions. In christianity, God is a name of a being ("being" is a stretch but stay with me), not a class of being. In other religions, the Angels and Satan would be considered gods. And God says, you shal have no other Gods above him, not no other Gods at all. And to not worship things of the Earth.
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11-13-2007, 03:38 PM
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From your own link,
, it would seem that you aren't very strong in you beliefs if you get so defense about it when asked a simple question.
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It may seem like that to someone that magically combines two completely unrelated concepts or a regular basis.
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Until you can present a better "answer", I'll have to assume that you don't actually have one.
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How can you not "have one"?
It ain't to much of a stretch to come up with an "answer" that's better than fairies living in the clouds.
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Something can't "disprove itself." That doesn't make any sense at all. Think about how you worded your claim and hopefully you'll be able to see your error in logic.
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I worded it exactly as I meant it.
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11-13-2007, 06:27 PM
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I worded it exactly as I meant it.
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If you want to reconsider for this reason:
It is unproven, for it has never been proved. Therefore it cannot disprove itself, because it has never been in a state of proved.
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11-13-2007, 06:36 PM
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How can you not "have one"?
It ain't to much of a stretch to come up with an "answer" that's better than fairies living in the clouds.
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You make the idea of an external higher power seem more implausible than it really is by equating it to "fairies living in the clouds."
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I worded it exactly as I meant it.
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You meant for it to be logically fallacious?
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