Where is any of that illegal?

Fuck that. People can wear their Che Guevara bullshit and gay rights rainbows but not a cross? Totally hypocritical bullshit.

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So you are saying that because the government banned a t-shirt advocating drug use that the government BOTH CAN and SHOULD ban the wearing of crosses and prayer by individual students in school. Even though I am not Christian, I would wear a cross just to defy such a law.

In reality though, we all know that no such law exists nor will it ever be enforced.

If you really are in favor of those things, then I would have to say that you have lost all my respect.


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I really am sick of hearing the majority religion in this country moaning about how they are being "discriminated against". It is so absurd and ridiculous.

The Christian God is printed on all of our money. The American Pledge had the Christian God added to it in the 1950's and it is recited in every school and before every major sporting event. "Christian" (in actuality holidays that Christians laid claim to long ago but weren't actually theirs) holidays are celebrated, some considered non-working days (and exploited for monetary gain) by the entire country. It is incredibly hard to get elected for a public office (until recently was pretty much unheard of) if you are not a Christian. As was mentioned, Christian churches are every where. Fundamentalists have their huge, big ol' fat hand deep in the pockets of our politicians and make it widely known without repercussion.

You are not being discriminated against just because you don't get your way 100% of the time. That's called democracy. America is NOT a theocracy. America was NOT founded on Christian principals NOR was it meant to be a Christian nation. If it were meant to be so then it would have been explicitly stated by our non-Christian founders.

Christians are NOT discriminated against in this country. You don't see Hindus complaining because their religious holidays are being taken out of our secular schools. Why? Because they were never included in the first place? And why? Because they are not Christian. Seriously. Stop being ridiculous. It's so frustrating. '

Personally, I see nothing wrong with people, in secular public schools, wearing necklaces or t-shirts or whatever if it has a symbol of their particular faith on it. There is no harm in that. But keep the religious holidays out of it (Christmas has pretty much become just a way for big businesses to make money but it is still linked with religion - kids generally aren't even in school during Christmas anyway so I don't see what the big deal is with just replacing a 'Christmas feeling' in schools with a 'winter feeling' - many people forget that there are a large number of people in this country who do not celebrate Christmas) and then everyone can be happy and whatnot.

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I wonder who is ridiculous!
Your agressiveness on the subjet are very hardly understanded to me.
Take the time well to accept the others opinions different.
But we know America was founded by england Chistian in first time by immigrations for liberty of religion.
And many nations consider the America to christian nation too.
If you are American why do you angry such like that?
I feel so strange to your saying of it.
Have you the other your God perhaps?
Don't angry but better to present what do you belive or your religion!
And then we can understand better!

What I believe has nothing to do with it. And if you live in the United States then you should understand why my post sounds angry. It's totally absurd for anyone in this country to claim that the majority religion is being discriminated against when it clearly is not.

America was NOT founded by Christians. It was founded by Deists whose #1 priority was to make sure that the country was not run by any particular religion. In fact, they put specific statements in the Constitution in an attempt to make sure that it never turned into a theocracy or a monarchy (much like the country they had left).

Christians are simply angry now because all of the preferential treatment that they had been given (especially after McCarthy went nutso about the "threat of communism") is slowly being taken away and they are starting to be treated like everyone else. You don't see Buddhist holidays celebrated in public schools. You don't see Hindu phrases printed on our money. You don't hear any other gods put into our "pledge of allegiance". It's so frustrating to read this junk. Christians are not being discriminated against in the United States of America. No way. No how.

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My point you addressed in your last paragraph im not sure where the rest of it came from. Kids are being told they can not wear crosses to school, or t-shirts with any religious overtones. Kids are being expelled for saying lunch time prayers and for giving out chrismas cards because someone that is so insecure in their own beliefs got offended by someone secure enough in theirs to practice it openly.

I have said it before and I will say it again. This country is for ALL people the religious, racial and homophobic intolerance in this country has made us weaker as a whole. This country is a melting pot of all diffrent ethnic, and relgious beliefs with that in mind why do we as a country feel we need to micromanage and sensor everything? This is NOT about christians alone its about all relgions what ever happened to live and let live, and respect for others beliefs even if they dont match your own?

Like I said, this country is sue happy and so PC now it makes me want to vomit and its not the Governments fault its our fault as citizens for being so intolerant that the govt has to act.

Where? In some backwater town in Wyoming run by a principal who forgot to take his meds?

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And fundamentalist Christians and Muslims have recently gotten "offended" by Halloween (a secular holiday... and another one that the average person probably has no idea of the actual history of and instead links it to "satan" which is apparently the link it is being given now to religion) and raised a stink which is causing it to be removed from schools as well.

See how that works?

There is a separation of church and state for a reason. Public schools are "state". Religion is "church".

Many schools have no problems letting children wear religious symbols. Is it illegal in the United States for one to wear religious symbols? I don't think so.
What would be illegal would be public prayer during a public school event (especially led by the school's staff). There is a time and place for that and it is not at school because it is exclusionary. If a child wants to pray before lunch, there should be no problem with that. It should not be led by faculty as they are public property during the school day and are meant to be teaching and/or making sure the kids are safe. Your religion is supposed to be private and personal.

It makes much more sense and is easier to exclude all religions from public schools. If you want your child to be surrounded by <your religion> then you need to send them to a private school. Others do not want to be excluded in their learning environment and religion has absolutely nothing to do with public school except for the few that offer a religious studies class or two.

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I saw a story where a girl was called out and reprimanded for wearing a cross necklace. Also a Muslim student (female) was forbidden to wear her traditional dress (and this one, I am almost positive, was a complaint by Christians who felt it wasn't fair that they couldn't wear a cross but she could wear her clothes.......) because it was religious. Of course, I don't remember where these took place so it could very well have been in some backwater town in Wyoming. ^_~

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