What is up with Atheists? - Page 8 - Political Forum

superbug · 11-20-2006, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Scruff

Also, if god isn't so forthcoming with his set of absolute morals, where do my morals come from?

He is forthcoming with His morals, we just choose to turn a blind eye to them and ignore them. Then we claim that morals are subject to each person's taste, which is crap.

Scruff · 11-20-2006, 08:47 AM

Are the punishments for violation of these absolute morals (I assume you're referring to Biblical morals and law) intrinsically part of them as part of according them weight? Or would you have no issue with seperating them as possibly too harsh or unreasonable whereas the morals themselves are unquestionable and god given. The punishments are in the book too, so they should also be written by god.

superbug · 11-20-2006, 09:36 AM

When you sin against God there are consequences for those actions. Yes, you are forgiven when you ask for it, but that does not mean you will not have to pay the price for what you have done.

FRYandBENDER · 11-20-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Heart of Oak

To go back to the start of this thread where the originator is complaining about atheists talking out.
For centuries anyone who expressed doubt about the current doctorine of the day could expect little respect of their views. I have in mind hundreds of years of persecution of heretics with some very imaginative methods of bringing the unfaithful back to the fold (burning at the stake was one of the more humane)
Nowadays when we have a more open view of free speech one can still be threatened with hell and damnation simply by asking those of a faith to explain upon what evidence they base their assertions.
The usual reponse is "Scripture" or tradition or just faith. When the point is pushed one is normally said to be offensive or evil.
When a non-theist (less negative than atheist) is confronted he/she is not expected to take offence.
If I was to say that I just have faith that the tooth fairy exists, or that there is a little teapot in orbit around Mars or that the world is flat. I am asked to prove it . Why are we asked to accept a far more fanciful concept on no evidence what so ever??
If you want to believe that God exists and actually pays any interest in what mankind gets up to you are free to, but don't try to push it down my throat (metaphorically speaking) and don't complain when someone asks for some proof that the believer should be accorded special deferrance.
Over to you.

Geeze. Look, I'm not religious. I do believe there is God, but beyond that I'm not even going to try to know what to believe. I know plenty about the history of religion, particularily Judeo-Christian religion and know that they have been the culprit of many attrocities.

My question is that if athiests are so enlightened, then why would they care what other people believe?. I just think it is stupid to criticize a group of people for doing something (forcing their beliefs on you) and then turn around and do it to them just because current prevailing wisdom says that you might be right.
I guess I just expected a little more from people who are so "enlightened."

FRYandBENDER · 11-20-2006, 11:28 AM

I'm not even complaining about regular athiests, just ones who go around saying how stupid religious people are. I just think that at this point it is pretty rediculous for anyne to go around saying that what they believe is the absolute truth.

Ygorl · 11-20-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scruff

I don't want to attack religion past the part where it's not fact. It's a belief, just like I believe there isn't a god. Who the hell knows if they're right or not.

Right. And who the hell knows if YOU'RE right or not ? You sound like another confused agnostic. Claim you're an atheist but then go on to admit you don't really KNOW. which says you're NOT an atheist but an agnostic.

Yes, this is about beliefs. Since you're so focussed on facts ONLY you really have little to offer in this discussion. Go see some threads about science or physics.

Then again, you'll be shortchanged there TOO because you only wish to deal in "facts".

Ygorl · 11-20-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by superbug

God gives you guidance even when you don't realize it. When that car in front of you is going slow, and you miss that green light and it just pisses you off. Then you see a huge crash happen up ahead in your lane as you sit at the light. If you had made the light you would have been in it.
You know little things.
You just have to keep your ears and eyes open.

Yes, I agree. It seems odd that so many are choosing blindness today.

Ygorl · 11-20-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by superbug

Actually there is right and there is wrong. People have found it easier to just say that there isn't so they don't feel guilty. I can't remember off the top of my head but it is warned about in the Bible.

REALLY ? You mean there really IS a right and a wrong ?

Noooooo, not possible

Yes, today relativism has become "cool". Dismissing right and wrong as foolishness is now the "intellectual" and cool way to think.

Ygorl · 11-20-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by superbug

He is forthcoming with His morals, we just choose to turn a blind eye to them and ignore them. Then we claim that morals are subject to each person's taste, which is crap.

Not just crap. Pure misguided stupidity. Backed by misuses of logic and intellectualism.

If you word things right you can sell infant spit up as a delicacy to people dumb enough to be unable to make sound judgements.

Ygorl · 11-20-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

I'm not even complaining about regular athiests, just ones who go around saying how stupid religious people are. I just think that at this point it is pretty rediculous for anyne to go around saying that what they believe is the absolute truth.

Like I said earlier, it is people on EITHER side of the isle on this issue that piss me off with their arrogant attitudes.

Shut up and fuck off all of ya. Bunch of goddamn sick fucks.

Yeah, it irritates me to NO end when either side gets too aggressive or arrogant. Liberals have gotten so nasty and aggressive lately that now the BACKLASH is that the very religious are gettiing just as nasty. Maybe Hitler could be re-incarnated and do the job RIGHT and heard all these peices of shit into gas chambers :-)

Just a GWAR fan blowin' off steam LOL