Scruff

So the Bible is 100% factual and accurate? Also, keep in mind that if you know something then you can prove it because it is fact and therefore provable.

Ygorl

That seems to be his beleif. Aside from the fact that you want to attack religion, was there another point to this ?

Heart of Oak

A wise man once told me never to argue with folk who hold sincere religious beliefs for two reasons.
1. If they are really convinced in their beliefs you won't change them and will just be wasting your time.
2. If you do convince them that their belief is in error you will take something valuable from them and replace it with nothing.

However I have never been one to listen to wise people -What the hell do they know

To go back to the start of this thread where the originator is complaining about atheists talking out.
For centuries anyone who expressed doubt about the current doctorine of the day could expect little respect of their views. I have in mind hundreds of years of persecution of heretics with some very imaginative methods of bringing the unfaithful back to the fold (burning at the stake was one of the more humane)
Nowadays when we have a more open view of free speech one can still be threatened with hell and damnation simply by asking those of a faith to explain upon what evidence they base their assertions.
The usual reponse is "Scripture" or tradition or just faith. When the point is pushed one is normally said to be offensive or evil.
When a non-theist (less negative than atheist) is confronted he/she is not expected to take offence.
If I was to say that I just have faith that the tooth fairy exists, or that there is a little teapot in orbit around Mars or that the world is flat. I am asked to prove it . Why are we asked to accept a far more fanciful concept on no evidence what so ever??
If you want to believe that God exists and actually pays any interest in what mankind gets up to you are free to, but don't try to push it down my throat (metaphorically speaking) and don't complain when someone asks for some proof that the believer should be accorded special deferrance.
Over to you.

superbug

God is not a liar.

superbug

One would be this post, you trying to cause doubt. You may not realize it, but that would be one. Pretty much anything that leads God's children away from Him.

Ygorl

I'm not trying to CAUSE doubt. I may HAVE some, but really I just don't KNOW. I thought I stated that clearly enough.

I only know what I know and that's not terribly MUCH :-)

So, besides that previous post of MINE and others who might be causing doubt are there any other items that might seem obvious ?

superbug

I know you don't think you are trying to cast doubt, but if there were a person of little faith then it could very well cause that. It's not going to be obvious, it's going to be subtle.

Ygorl

Well, fair enough. But I'm only mentioning my OWN doubts or even ignorance for the purpose of discussion and learning. I'm not expecting to influence anyone else with my use of language in a discussion on this topic.

Anywho, in the grand scheme of the entire world this is a small thing, this discussion. I understand the idea of people being led away from God.

I'm curious to know of what other things are going on in the world today that you beleive are leading people away from God.

drgoodtrips

Why thank you, my friend

drgoodtrips

Well, the most appropriate response to this would be "nuh-uh!" That is to say, you've offered nothing in the way of convincing argument for the existence of "Satan" except to repeat your belief in him. So, naturally, I should counter by repeating my lack of belief in him.

This is a strawman argument. I can have a higher degree of faith that you're "real" by reading what you type or (if I were so inclined) by finding you in person and verifying your existence by looking at you. I haven't seen Satan make posts on the internet or observed him in person.

So, ultimately God is responsible for what Satan does? Wouldn't this make Satan simply an extension of God's will and, as such, make God responsible for all atrocities?