What is up with Atheists? - Page 4 - Political Forum

CHUQ · #31 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyote Says

I love Tom Waits.

I really should read more. I thought the ant farm line was from Bruce Almighty.

Tom Waits is a helluva song writer. I have just about everything the man ever did with the exception of a fart last nite.

CHUQ · #32 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 01:21 PM

Voltaire had a couple of profound observations about God.

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him

If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Ygorl · #33 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by USViking

What is up with atheists?- well, for starters,
what kind of God would allow one child to ever suffer
while at the same time requiring of all human beings
knee-worship, prayer, and praise?

I want no part of such a God.

Then have no PART of "such a God".

Ygorl · #34 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by USViking

My criticism was not directed at Deists, Pantheists,
and the like- those who believe in an impersonal God:
The Guy who made the watch, maybe out of himself,
or some such thing, but has never has anything to do
with the people who get ground up in the working parts.

Maybe so. I just think the introduction of God into Nature
adds an unneeded step, or level, whatever you want to
call it. If there was one Prime Cause, then Nature itself is
more economical than God's Creation of Nature. God is
an unneeded character.

You stating that doesn't make it so.

Ygorl · #35 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

God only knows and he /she probably not listening.
I would say he is pretty busy to really give a shit.

You know this HOW ?

Oh, you BELIEVE this yes ?

Thats fine, thats YOUR belief.

Ygorl · #36 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzibeth

I think it is a complete waste of time for atheists to attempt to "convert" theists. When people get too invested in it... it BECOMES a religion (trying to "preach" non-belief to others).

That's because it IS a religion. They're just as passionate and arrogant in their BELIEFS as are many religious people.

Yet the fact remains that NEITHER can really prove their beleifs, nor can they DISPROVE the others.

They're BOTH a type of faith. One a faith in a God the other a faith in science and themselves.

Seems safest to ME to be as faithful as possible to a God and not in myself. I'm just one of 5 or 6 billion screwed up little human creatures many of whom have become drunk and arrogant given a little bit of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Izzibeth

I understand the want to explain to others what you feel is right but... it falls on deaf ears much of the time and it's really just a waste of precious energy and time. Go love somebody or something!

Or watch some good porn or go buy the latest CD by GWAR :-)

Ygorl · #37 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by USViking

Auschwitz? Gulag?

I want no part of any God whose "plan"
included these.

So take no PART in it then.

If I remember right it was some screwy HUMANS that did these things not God. Humans hurting and killing other humans given knowledge and freewill.

People are the most dangerous animal in the solar system in case you didn't know this.

Ygorl · #38 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by USViking

I see Gulag and Auschwitz as a lot more than any tree.
They are a forest within the forest planted by a satanic
God, if they are indeed part of any "plan". It would be best
if such a God did not exist. Since the historical evidence for
his exisitence is literally nil (although I think it likely Christ
was historical), then I will go with unbelief.

Oh lord, now God is Satanic

No, people spewing forth this kind of rotten garbage are what is "satanic". Thankfully there are only a few people empty headed enough to seriously consider these kinds of statements.

emptypepsi · #39 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Thane

So take no PART in it then.

If I remember right it was some screwy HUMANS that did these things not God. Humans hurting and killing other humans given knowledge and freewill.

People are the most dangerous animal in the solar system in case you didn't know this.

Agreed. God allows free will. Humans do what they will under free will. I wonder if the poster of that statement would rather humans be without free will under said God. Of course there'd be no Auschwitz but then again there'd be no individual choice along with it.

Izzibeth · #40 (**permalink**) 11-18-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Thane

They're BOTH a type of faith. One a faith in a God the other a faith in science and themselves.

Seems safest to ME to be as faithful as possible to a God and not in myself. I'm just one of 5 or 6 billion screwed up little human creatures many of whom have become drunk and arrogant given a little bit of knowledge.

I understand what you are saying. However, I personally do not have "faith" in science or myself. I am not a believer in theism (hence... an atheist) and I do not feel the need, like many atheists do, to convince others to drop theism. As I said... it is a waste of time. And often, it ends up becoming a religion.. trying to convert others from their belief system. I have my own thoughts/opinions/views on much of the religious community but I discuss it amongst my fellow peers and not with those who share those religious beliefs.
It only leads to fighting and neither side comes away with any change to what they think (or... I, personally, have never seen someone convert either way due to one conversation although I know it does happen) and both sides are just pissed.

That being said... if I feel I am being attacked due to my lack of belief in gods I will defend myself. My family tends to stay away from the religion debate with me.