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Old 08-10-2007, 05:03 PM
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To actually answer the question. No, animals are not people. But people are animals. ^_^

Not too many animals go around capturing other animals and torturing them or killing them just for the sake of it.
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:28 PM
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May I first say that I love all animals. I have four English Springer Spaniels, one male and three females. The girls are all from the same litter. My wife and I love them dearly.

In addition, I have a rather large natural pond on my property which supports a variety of small mammals, nesting birds, turtles, snakes, frogs and fish.

I would never think of harming an animal unless I or my wife were being directly threatened. That said, animals are just that. They are not humans although humans are the most developed animals. Notice that I didn't say advanced. If we're so advanced why do we engage in something that the lower animals never engage in - WAR.

Shame on us humans.
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Old 08-10-2007, 08:20 PM
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I meant person, not if they are people

Well thanks for all the comments.
I think only one person answered the question but it was the wrong question, but I think it may have been the title that screwed things up. I should not have said people I am asking about persons.

What I am looking for is “do you think that an animal is a person.” And what defines your belief in this either way.

To be up front, that law doesn’t consider non-human animals persons. I do.
But I do not define my beliefs according to the law. The last time I asked this question in a way that didn’t confuse what I was asking, I found that most people in that particular forum defined their beliefs on the matter according to the law or by their religions.

And great points rodog, animals do war.
And yes we are one of the last to develop, so we may be the least advanced out of all if you generalize the word advanced.

The question is: “Is a non-human animal a person?” I am not asking if they are people that was a mistake, but if they each are persons.
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Old 08-10-2007, 08:34 PM
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This gose into debating the means of what is intelligence . Humans see them selves worth more cause We are more intelligent becouse we can make the wheel and fire, But also becouse we are self aware of our selves.
But the HitchHikers Guide said were not the most intelligent animal on Earth, that we're the third, the first being mice and the second being dolphins, you can't dispute that, it's in a book
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:21 PM
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What are we defining as "person"? Are you just wanting us to use 'homo-sapiens' or do you have some philosophical idea to apply this to? Otherwise, I'll just give what I see as my most honest answer right NOW.

No, animals are not homo sapiens. Some come close in certain respects, but ultimately they seem to be vacant of the power of abstract thought and a written language that can be passed down from generation to generation. Though I used to be somewhat of the opposite persuasion, after learning more about evolution and physical anthropology, I believe that humans do have a unique evolutionary spark that puts us ahead of other animals. It likely has much to do with the reason we evolved the way we did, as compared to our other primate cousins.

Having said that, Izzibeth is right in that there is no reason to do something to another animal that you wouldn't normally do to another human. The same dipshits who try to hit animals or things like that are generally the types of people who I pick up beer cans after. Senseless idiots, really.

BTW, Thane, I used to be PETRIFIED of snakes until I was 20. I then held one in my hand and seriously couldn't get enough. One day it might be pretty cool to own one.

I also had a rather large and impressive ant farm until I was 15. It takes a lot more work to keep up with than one would think.
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:46 PM
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No one should ever hurt another animal or human.

And no Animal's are not humans, they dont have the Internet(just kidding the internet dose not define us). We just happen to be a little smarter than most speicies.

Also even if the hitch hikers book was right the mice still arnt humans even if they are smarter than us they arnt in any way related to the human speicies.
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I also had a rather large and impressive ant farm until I was 15. It takes a lot more work to keep up with than one would think.
Really??? So its more than just feeding them shitloads of sweets?
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Old 08-11-2007, 12:29 AM
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wow.
Other animals as homo sapiens, hurting animals, intelligences.

All I asked was "Is a non-human animal a person."
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:14 AM
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Why we are on the topic of animals... a speicies of Dophin is officaly extinct as of today. I dont recal the name of them but they were supposidly found some were around china
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Traditionally, several Native American (Indian/Eskimo) groups considered all life to have a form of spiritual power and intelligence. I have hunted with Eskimos and Indians who practiced special spiritual rites to show respect for animals who gave themselves to a hunter. They believed that although a hunter must be skillful and strong, he must also realize that he is not above the animals which make it possible for him and others to live. When hunting walrus from skin covered canoes (umiak), I have been on hand when an elder would stand and speak to the spirit of the walrus asking for favor and expressing respect. I knew Athabascan Indians who spoke to a tree before cutting it down for house logs. To these Native Americans all of nature is filled with spiritual powers and awareness.

During the time I spent with Alaska Eskimos and Indians, I hunted wildlife for subsistence purposes. My wife and I relied on caribou, seals, waterfowl, moose and other animals for a significant part of our food as well as skins used in the making of boots, mittens, parkas and caps. Fish and game also fed our sled dogs. When living with Eskimos on the northwestern coast of Alaska back in the early 1960s, I went whaling on the sea ice with Eskimo whaling crews. From native companions I learned that respect for animals and nature does not necessarily exclude the killing of wildlife.
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