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05-22-2007, 01:30 PM
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Can Reliigon And Evolution Be Campatable?
Let me begin this thread by saying I have faith in God that I WILL NOT CHANGE.
However I beleive in evolution too.
To not beleive in evolution would {[in my opinion} be shutting out the natural prosess.
Now I know there are people who beleive in differant religons than I do I respect that.
And then there's some leaders of my religon that actually beleive their theory is right and everybody else is wrong.
To be fair there are also scientist\ evolutionist\atheist that actually beleive their theory is right and evybody else is wrong.
Quite a dilima, no ?
I beleive in evolution, but I also beleive God ,or a higher power if you will played a significant part in that.
How did that work; you may ask?
Frankly, I have no idea?
However we all know about the theory of "FAITH IN GOD" WE CELEBRATE IT EVERY CHRISTMAS AND EASTER.
Lets take a look at the flip side the sceintist\evolutionist\atheist.
The Univerise was started with a BIG BANG ERGO THE "BIG BANG" THEORY.
Unless my sceince teacher was wrong to have an explotion or Big Bang you need two components energy and matter, soo, where did the energy and matter come from?????
BACK TO SQUARE ONE, YOU ARE BELEIVING IN SOMETHING YOU CAN NOT LOGICALLY PROVE.
That is unless energy and matter just appeared out of thin air, but would not that constitute a miracle, and I've heard these guys aren't big on miracles.
In ny opinion both sides should be a little more open to ideas.
Or you could stop thinking about how you got here and enjoy the time you have while you are here.
Gentlemen and Ladies I await your veiws and comments on this subject.
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05-22-2007, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by presluc
Let me begin this thread by saying I have faith in God that I WILL NOT CHANGE.
However I beleive in evolution too.
To not beleive in evolution would {[in my opinion} be shutting out the natural prosess.
Now I know there are people who beleive in differant religons than I do I respect that.
And then there's some leaders of my religon that actually beleive their theory is right and everybody else is wrong.
To be fair there are also scientist\ evolutionist\atheist that actually beleive their theory is right and evybody else is wrong.
Quite a dilima, no ?
I beleive in evolution, but I also beleive God ,or a higher power if you will played a significant part in that.
How did that work; you may ask?
Frankly, I have no idea?
However we all know about the theory of "FAITH IN GOD" WE CELEBRATE IT EVERY CHRISTMAS AND EASTER.
Lets take a look at the flip side the sceintist\evolutionist\atheist.
The Univerise was started with a BIG BANG ERGO THE "BIG BANG" THEORY.
Unless my sceince teacher was wrong to have an explotion or Big Bang you need two components energy and matter, soo, where did the energy and matter come from?????
BACK TO SQUARE ONE, YOU ARE BELEIVING IN SOMETHING YOU CAN NOT LOGICALLY PROVE.
That is unless energy and matter just appeared out of thin air, but would not that constitute a miracle, and I've heard these guys aren't big on miracles.
In ny opinion both sides should be a little more open to ideas.
Or you could stop thinking about how you got here and enjoy the time you have while you are here.
Gentlemen and Ladies I await your veiws and comments on this subject.
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This is one thing I tend to agree with you on. Evolution and religion aren't incompatible when reasonable views of either are examined.
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05-22-2007, 01:40 PM
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This is one thing I tend to agree with you on. Evolution and religion aren't incompatible when reasonable views of either are examined.
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Well thank you uh I think?
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05-22-2007, 02:34 PM
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I'm sure there are many out there who would disagree with you. Meaning... there are many out there who would say that you are not following proper doctrine and therefore will not ascend into heaven because you believe that evolution is probable.
You won't find any opposition from me. ^_^ I may not believe with the god part but I certainly agree with you on the evolution part.
But what would you say to those who call you "not a true believer" because you don't believe that everything was made how it is today 6,000 years ago?
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Last edited by Izzibeth : 05-22-2007 at 02:38 PM.
Reason: Sorry.... that might be 10,000 years not 6,000. Somewhere in there.
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05-22-2007, 02:37 PM
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But what would you say to those who call you "not a true believer" because you don't believe that everything was made how it is today 6,000 years ago?
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Wave a cross at them and tell them not to be so stupid-stituous.
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05-22-2007, 02:39 PM
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Wave a cross at them and tell them not to be so stupid-stituous.
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05-22-2007, 02:42 PM
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Because it contradicts the Bible, I personally do not believe the origins of mankind to have come about through macro evolution. But I do understand why some people would accept evolution coming through the hands of theism, especially given the proof of micro evolution, which by the way, Creationists do not dispute.
But there are some people, such as Richard Dawkins, who might claim that people like myself are ignorant (and maybe even dangerous) for not believing as he believes. And I'm kind of toning down his point of view. But then there are other people in the Science field who have questions about the Theory of Evolution, though we don't hear much about them. My Biology professor clearly did not accept the theory of marco Evolution, but he did not push that belief upon anyone else in his class, nor did he state why he didn't accept it.
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05-22-2007, 02:50 PM
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I only fear the judgement of one, and, the wrath of one, and guess what , that's not on this earth.
How, about your theory does energy and matter to create the BIG BANG JUST CREATE ITSELF??
Or haven't you ever questioned evolution, perhaps it is you who fear the brand of " non beleiver" from your freinds that beleive only in evoltution?
After all to have a theory you must have strong beleivers of said theory.
Have you not seen a clergyman and an atheist in a debate?
Usually at the end they both walk away beleiving in the same thing they did before I don't know what you call that but I call it FAITH ON BOTH SIDES
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05-22-2007, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by panteth4h2o
Because it contradicts the Bible, I personally do not believe the origins of mankind to have come about through macro evolution. But I do understand why some people would accept evolution coming through the hands of theism, especially given the proof of micro evolution, which by the way, Creationists do not dispute.
But there are some people, such as Richard Dawkins, who might claim that people like myself are ignorant (and maybe even dangerous) for not believing as he believes. And I'm kind of toning down his point of view. But then there are other people in the Science field who have questions about the Theory of Evolution, though we don't hear much about them. My Biology professor clearly did not accept the theory of marco Evolution, but he did not push that belief upon anyone else in his class, nor did he state why he didn't accept it.
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As you have said people in the science feild who have questions about the Theory of Evolution we don't hear much about them
However you sure hear a lot about the question of Faith in God from both sides.
To me there isn't that much differance.
Religon is a faith based on a higher creator that we have no iiron clad proof exists.
Evolution is A faith based on the big bang theory where that energy and matter just appeared out of nothing and bumped into each other WHEN ENERGY AND MATTER CAN APPEAR FROM THIN AIR PERHAPS I MAY INVESTIGATE FUTHER, BUT UNTIL THEN EVOLUTIONIST LIKE RELIGONS HAVE NO IRON CLAD PROOF.
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05-22-2007, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by presluc
I only fear the judgement of one, and, the wrath of one, and guess what , that's not on this earth.
How, about your theory does energy and matter to create the BIG BANG JUST CREATE ITSELF??
Or haven't you ever questioned evolution, perhaps it is you who fear the brand of " non beleiver" from your freinds that beleive only in evoltution?
After all to have a theory you must have strong beleivers of said theory.
Have you not seen a clergyman and an atheist in a debate?
Usually at the end they both walk away beleiving in the same thing they did before I don't know what you call that but I call it FAITH ON BOTH SIDES
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I don't have any friends. *cries* So... I don't fear being called a non-believer.
Actually, that is a little bit of an exaggeration. But I don't talk about religious or political matters with most of my friends because we have too much else to talk about. So, I honestly don't know how any of my friends (they all live in a different state than I do and we don't often get the chance to talk anyway) feel about gods, religion, or evolution.
But yes, I have seen religious and non-religious debate. Usually it's too painful for me to sit through the whole thing. But I've also seen religious who believe that evolution can be true and religious who believe evolution is a load and that is sometimes more brutal an argument than between a religious believer and a non-believer.
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