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Old 06-30-2007, 12:08 PM
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I am a Catholic and I have no problem with Evolution, String Theory, Parallel Universes, etc. None at all.

I would caution diehard atheists to not lump together all who choose to believe in a Supreme Being, or "Force" , with those who take certain Biblical allegorical and metaphorical stories literally. Creationists who believe in fairy tales (useful and full of wisdom, these tales, but still tales) as literal fact and those who merely accept the existence of God but who still believe in science are NOT one in the same.

I have an atheist brother-in-law who tries to do that and it gets tiring telling him to go play in the street.

Those Christians who think that in order to be a Christian that you have to be a literalist are sadly misguided. I have no problem saying that b/c many literalist fundamentalist Protestants out there hold that as a Catholic that I am not even a real Christian so I take great pleasure out of telling them that they miss the whole point of the stories. They get it wriong from beginning (Genesis) to end (Revelations). BTW 666 was Nero. The antiChrist is long dead.

One of my good friends is an Orthodox Jew and he and I have some very cool discussions about OT stories and what they mean. Christians who ignore the Jewish perspective on the OT writings do so at their own risk. BTW (most if not all) Jews are not literalists either and have no problem with Evolution or most science.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:41 PM
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It is my beleif how you beleive in God is your business.
Weather you beleive in God is your business.
You can discuss until you lose your voice, you can type or write until your fingures bleed.
But only you and what you beleive are known to you.
It is still my beleif that beleif in God and worship should be held private and sacred.
Protestants, Catholics, Jewish, and atheist have all been critical of this.
But at the end of the day just before sleep THE TRUE MEANING OF WHAT ANY PERSON BELEIVES IN WILL COME TO THAT PERSON NO ONE ELSE.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:15 PM
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And after decades of saying "WE ARE ON THE BRINK" I think it's time sceintist come down from their perch "based on theory's and inuindos" and mingle with the rest of humanity. I have faith in God I cannot furnish iron clad proof that he exist I have only my faith.
If these Sceintist and "thinkers" beleive in a big bang that started the UNIVERSE what do they have?
Do they have ironclad proof, can they say where the matter and energy came from to create this "BIG BANG",AND TO USE THE WORD FAITH AND THEORY IN THE SAME SENTENCE IS NOT DONE IN THE SCEINTIFIC WORLD.
SO WHAT YOU GOT ,SOME OLD MAN WROTE A BOOK ON WHAT HE THINKS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED, BUT NO IRON CLAD PROOF.
So like it or not sceintist, "thinkers" theory builders all wind up the same place people that people who beleive in God already are.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:55 PM
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At present humans only use 10% of their brain, what if that were to change?
Would the limitations,and boundaries be the same?
Interesting thought but unlikely, in this age of innovation we are being surrounded by ever more complex and sophisticated technologies driven no doubt by demand and supply to make our lives more comfortable and ensure our survival on this earth "absolute". Althought, that can be clouded by illusory pleasures; that is just part of the capitalist system we live in today, and a phase that will be outgrown one day.

Conclusion, as long as we keep using and exercising the organ we call a brain it is really very doubtfull we will be discarting it as a major provider to our daily living.

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It is only natural after all that's what evolution is all about... adaptation. Even if that's not really how we will look in the future (1-2 mil years from now) we can definetly agree that evolution and change cannot be stopped.
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Old 07-05-2007, 12:13 PM
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Interesting thought but unlikely, in this age of innovation we are being surrounded by ever more complex and sophisticated technologies driven no doubt by demand and supply to make our lives more comfortable and ensure our survival on this earth "absolute". Althought, that can be clouded by illusory pleasures; that is just part of the capitalist system we live in today, and a phase that will be outgrown one day.

Conclusion, as long as we keep using and exercising the organ we call a brain it is really very doubtfull we will be discarting it as a major provider to our daily living.

The end result...


It is only natural after all that's what evolution is all about... adaptation. Even if that's not really how we will look in the future (1-2 mil years from now) we can definetly agree that evolution and change cannot be stopped.
Evolution,adaptation,and change can not be stopped.
That I agree with .
As for making our lives more comfortable.
That I do not. it's all about the money, man.
Money get you power and those who don't have enough, well lets say their lives won't be that much more comforable.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:37 PM
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Religion and Evolution

My pet theory: Religion is to intelligent technological species, what instinct is to animals. The ecological purpose of intelligent technological species is the preservation of biosheres and habitats when native planets and stars are no longer able to do so. The Technological Power required to fullfill this 'ecological purpose' amounts to near absolute power over matter and energy. If The Universe was not suiciedal or had a brain in its head, it would have a very, very special, training curiculum for such a creature. "We Will Understand It Better By And By". "New Jerusalem" is a starship the size of a planet.
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Old 07-06-2007, 12:00 AM
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Evolution,adaptation,and change can not be stopped.
That I agree with .
As for making our lives more comfortable.
That I do not. it's all about the money, man.
Money get you power and those who don't have enough, well lets say their lives won't be that much more comforable.
Are you insinuating that greed rules the majority of the world?

My friend greed is only but an aspect of living in a materialist society. We have been taught thru popular culture that those with money can buy happiness in the form of luxurious pleasures outside the reach of a minimum wage family. But that is obviously a lie!... because all working individuals in our society and members of this forum know that money can buy life itself. Either in the form of better health care insurance, hygiene, healthy food and other basic necessities.

The point being you fail to realize what the capitalist system in the United States is all about.

>Pleasures that go beyond basic necessities are like I said are not only illusory but the core ideology behind "lust for power and greed". It might sound strange to some but technology is futher reasserting our role in society and bringing up the values and ideals of humanity in the minds of the people. "We are an industrial society that depends on the individuals that make it a whole breathing living ecosystem. It is a role nowadays that we tend to forget."
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:59 PM
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Are you insinuating that greed rules the majority of the world?

My friend greed is only but an aspect of living in a materialist society. We have been taught thru popular culture that those with money can buy happiness in the form of luxurious pleasures outside the reach of a minimum wage family. But that is obviously a lie!... because all working individuals in our society and members of this forum know that money can buy life itself. Either in the form of better health care insurance, hygiene, healthy food and other basic necessities.

The point being you fail to realize what the capitalist system in the United States is all about.

>Pleasures that go beyond basic necessities are like I said are not only illusory but the core ideology behind "lust for power and greed". It might sound strange to some but technology is futher reasserting our role in society and bringing up the values and ideals of humanity in the minds of the people. "We are an industrial society that depends on the individuals that make it a whole breathing living ecosystem. It is a role nowadays that we tend to forget."
What America most depends on is oil from foreign countries and cheap labor from foreign countries.
As we depend more on foreign countries we as an industrial soceity are becoming more dependant on others and weaker as an industrial soceity.
We get computers from China and Japan, we get cars made in other countries we get clothes made in other countries.
The main energy source of this planet we get from foreign trade.
Has Americans become unable to do this work, has Americans become so fixated with the easy way of getting a fuel source we can not start to have one we can produce?
Is there no American that can not deleiver the same amount of work and thought to this country.
Perhaps your thought is yes but we would have to pay more for this or that product if in fact the American people were paid more they would be able to buy more.
Do you think those workers making $1 or $1.50 an hour is going to run out and buy a new GMC,Ford., OR Chrysler, DON'T THINK SO.
AND SINCE Japan has Toyota,and China has Kia, who ya gonna sell these foreign made cars to.
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Old 07-09-2007, 10:10 AM
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I just don't like the theory of cavemen looking like apes stupid geico commercials
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Old 07-09-2007, 12:10 PM
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Perhaps a million or so years from now some guy might be discussing how much he dislikes looking at someone sitting in a chair to actually type ideas into a computer.
Who knows your likeness may be on exibit in the Smithsonion in the year 5000.
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