All the worlds are present in this creation including hell are present in the space - Political Forum

dattaswami · 05-16-2007, 01:17 PM

All the worlds are present in this creation including hell are present in the space

All the worlds present in this creation are present in this space. It is said that no matter which world you reach, you have to come back to this world since none of them are the ultimate (Abrahma Bhuvanallokah—Gita). Even the Brahma Loka is present within this same space. It is called Parama Vyoma (supreme space) by Ramanuja. Now what is this Parama Vyoma? It is a very fine space within this space. A person seeing a dream is present in the space of this world. The dream-space is within him, so it is within the space of this world. The dream space does not interfere with the space of this world although it is present in it. While you are in the dream space, you are unable to see anything in the worldly space. When the dream is over, the dream space disappears, but the space of this world still remains.

The space of this world is more real as compared to the space of the dream, since the dream space is made of very delicate and weak nervous energy compared to the world space made of more powerful energy. Similarly, the space of this world is present in the Parama Vyoma (which is made of most powerful energy) and yet the two spaces do not interfere with each other. While you are in the space of this world, you are unable to see Vaikuntha or Brahma Loka etc. The Parama Vyoma is more real as compared to the space of this world. When the space of this world disappears, the Parama Vyoma still exists. Thus there can be many spaces within the same space. However they are still only space. God is above all these spaces. Even if you take the body of Lord Narayana, which is present in the Parama Vyoma, you have only left the space of this world and have entered into a more subtle and real space called as Parama Vyoma.

It is said that the distance between hell and earth is 98 thousand yojanas, which works out to some eight hundred thousand miles. Rockets can go that far but have still not found the existence of any such hell. Why is it so? The reason is that hell is not present in this space. It is present in another space which has a greater degree of reality. The distance that is given only correlates that space and this space. At a point which is some eight hundred thousand miles from here, hell exists but it is in another space that we cannot perceive. Immediately next to this world, which is called the Martya Loka, exists the Preta Loka (world of the dead), where people who die here go at first. However we cannot see them or their world. Above that is the Naraka Loka (hell) and above it is the Pitri Loka (world of ancestors).

These four together are called as the Bhu Loka as per the Vishnu Purana. Thus there can be several spaces present simultaneously. However they are still space alone. When it is said that all these spaces came from Atman (Atmanah Akashah sambhutah—Veda) it clearly means that the individual Atman is not implied here as the Advaitins claim.

Izzibeth · 05-16-2007, 01:38 PM

Try responding more to the threads you already have up. People are going to get tired of reading these eventually.

dahermit · 05-16-2007, 06:34 PM

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Try responding more to the threads you already have up. People are going to get tired of reading these eventually.

What do you mean eventually? Why is this guy wasting time posting here when he could be selling flowers in airports?

emptypepsi · 05-16-2007, 06:58 PM

Tired of reading verbose diatribes which profess incontrovertible wisdom? Why would we ever tire of that? ; )

Ygorl · 05-16-2007, 07:01 PM

God, not another one of these.

dattaswami · 05-16-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Tired of reading verbose diatribes which profess incontrovertible wisdom? Why would we ever tire of that? ; )

The earth, hell and heaven come under the plane of materialism (Pravrutti) only. The punishment on the earth and the punishment in the hell differ just by the areas present in the same realm of Pravrutti. It is just the difference between a jail in India and a jail in Andaman Islands in the olden days. Therefore, the postponed sin along with the interest can be met with punishment in the hell or in the next birth. It is one and the same. The serious deeds good or bad will yield results in this birth it self (Atyutkataih Papa Punyaiah Ihaiva Phalamashnute..).

The place and time have no significance. Only the quality and quantity of the nature (good or bad) of a deed and its subsequent fruit destined by the constitution of God are important. As the postponement increases, the interest also increases. You will receive the principle along with the interest in any online branch of the divine bank existing on this earth or in the upper world. Actually the deeds are inert actions and do not follow the soul. Only the essence of the deed which is alive in the form of quality (Guna or Samskara) follows the soul and from the color and intensity of the quality, results are decided by the divine computer called Yama for bad deeds and Indra for good deeds.

Kalabhairava is the over all in-charge of super vision in implementing the results (Karanam Guna Samgosya…Gita). Sattvam is white, Rajas is red and Tamas is black. Therefore, the internal intention (Sankalpa) of the mind which is made of these three qualities decides good and bad of a deed and not the inert subsequent action. The cycle of deeds and its administration is simplified based on the specific quality and its quantity. This is the simplified picture of the system of deeds, which is followed by the judge in the final enquiry. Of course, the total network of deeds with all the minute details also exists inside the system, which can be referred if necessary (Gahana Karmanogatih…).