Human beings cannot create life-But Cloning??? - Political Forum

dattaswami · 05-05-2007, 02:03 AM

Human beings cannot create life-But Cloning???

Recently some devotees were asking Me about the latest scientific development called cloning. They are telling Me that the offspring is produced from the tissue of hair and the offspring gets the same characteristics, by which there is a point that whether the soul is regenerated. The point is whether the soul from the parent is divided so that the first part remains in the parent and second part enters the offspring. When Lord Siva became furious, He plucked one of His hair and threw it on the floor. From that hair, Veerabhadra is produced, who got all the anger from the Lord Siva. The same point arises here.

First of all we should analyse the soul. The soul is made of pure awareness. The vibrations of pure awareness are called as feelings or qualities. Therefore all the characteristic qualities are associated with the soul and are made of pure awareness.

What is pure awareness? It is only a special form of inert energy. When we eat the food, it is oxidised by the oxygen received through the respiratory system. When the food is assimilated in the digestive system, it is oxidised by the Oxygen from the respiratory system, which is carried by the blood in dissolved state through Haemoglobin. The oxidation of food is exothermic reaction and liberates inert heat energy. This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system.

The electricity is produced by the generator and enters the tube light. The electrical energy is converted into light, which is another new form of energy. The heat energy produced by the interaction of digestive and respiratory system is called life energy (Pranamaya kosa). When this heat energy is converted into awareness by nervous system the awareness or mind is produced (Manomaya kosa). This awareness which is in the purest state is called as the soul (or Atman). This awareness is propagated in the form of pulses and these pulses as a bundle is called as Jeeva. The bundle of pulses of awareness is called as simply Jeeva from the point of pulses, is called as Atman from the point of awareness and is also called as Jeevatman from the point of both the pulses and awareness.

The constant propagation of pulses is called as mind (manas). The impressions of strong pulses are called as Chittam. The production of strong of pulses by the interaction of several weak pulses is called as intelligence or determination or Buddhi. The strong pulse that keeps the identity of the body is called as Ahamkara or ego. When you say the word Jeeva, it refers only to Manas, Chittam, Buddhi and Ahamkara (Antahkaranams). Therefore the soul and Jeeva together called as Jeevatma is only a special form of energy i.e., generated by the interaction of digestive, respiratory and nervous systems. Thus Jeeva representing the bundle of characteristics and Atman representing the special form of energy or Soul can be only the items of creation and not the creator. You are worried about the generation of Soul but there need not be any worry because Soul is an item of creation. In this creation there is conversion of matter into energy.

There is conversion of one type of matter into another type of matter through a chemical reaction as done by chemists. There is also conversion of one form of energy into another form of energy as done by physicists. There is conversion of matter into energy as done by technologists and engineers. Now if the Soul is generated, what is there to worry? This topic comes under the realm of creation and is within the boundaries of the creation. Gita says that the Soul is Paraprakruti. Prakruti means creation. Para means the finest part of creation. Therefore the transformation of Soul or division of Soul or generation of Soul is only topic of science and is not a topic of spirituality. Spirituality deals with creator who is beyond the creation. Veda says ‘Annat Purushah’, which means that the Soul is produced from the food. It is conversion of matter into Soul, which is energy.

Independent147 · 05-07-2007, 11:24 AM

I think cloning makes a good sci fi story. But real life? No. It's against a ton of religions and ethics. So I say no.

Izzibeth · 05-07-2007, 12:38 PM

When another human being is made through the process of cloning, they do not "share a soul" (for those who believe in such a thing) with the original human being. Doing a little research into HOW cloning is done would explain that thoroughly to anyone who thinks otherwise. They are two completely separate human beings.

FRYandBENDER · 05-07-2007, 12:41 PM

I want a clone so I can make him do all my work for me.

Izzibeth · 05-07-2007, 12:45 PM

I want a clone so I can do this.

Independent147 · 05-07-2007, 04:03 PM

That's... wonderful. And highly disturbing. I'm just saying a lot of people are against cloning. Most think it's unethical, and a lot believe in a religion that has sided against the creation of cloning human life forms. In star wars, clone troopers kick ass. In real life, clones will be shunned. It'll be the segregation against clones era.

Brother Oz · 05-07-2007, 04:48 PM

I don't really see the point in human cloning. Surely part of the fun of making babies is, well, making babies.

emptypepsi · 05-07-2007, 06:26 PM

Agreed with Oz. I think it is cases like this that beg the quote from Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park --

"You got so caught up in the excitement of whether you could, that you didn't stop to think of whether you should."

Interesting theory, BTW, about segregation. Knowing humanity, I wouldn't put it past us.

Izzibeth · 05-07-2007, 06:33 PM

I was just kidding. I wouldn't say that I am against cloning exactly. I just think it probably wouldn't be a good idea. It would most likely be abused.

And.... I suppose I will have to agree with the quote from the 1990s movie.

Independent147 · 05-07-2007, 06:49 PM

Izzi, I know you were kidding. As I seem to have to say several times each day, I'm not a complete dolt. I like replying to joking posts with seriousness, because often times a joking post brings up a second side to the story. Not really in this case... lol! I like your point Ozzy...