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05-04-2007, 10:46 PM
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Mercenary
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Originally Posted by dattaswami
The Universe is infinite with unimaginable beginning and unimaginable end.
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Your prose are very poetic, but when I take issue with the first statement, I have trouble reading the rest. Perhaps it's because I'm so mathematically oriented, and if the first statement of a proof is inaccurate, the rest is tainted. The universe is decidedly not infinite...
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05-04-2007, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
Your prose are very poetic, but when I take issue with the first statement, I have trouble reading the rest. Perhaps it's because I'm so mathematically oriented, and if the first statement of a proof is inaccurate, the rest is tainted. The universe is decidedly not infinite...
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drgoodtrips;
God is unimaginable. The link between the soul and world with God is also unimaginable because a link between two imaginable items only becomes imaginable.
The actions of God are also unimaginable since the actions of imaginable items are only imaginable. The only imaginable region is about all the items of the world and relationships between those items and the dead boundary of this world (imaginable region) is space. In this imaginable region there may be some temporary unimaginable regions, which are not analyzed today but one day or other those regions will be analyzed by the science. The unimaginable region for an ignorant person may be simultaneously imaginable to a scholar like the technology of an electronic instrument. Of course, even today, there are certain unimaginable regions even for scholars in the deeper planes of the science of world. Such planes will be known to scholars (Scientists) after some time by the grace of God, because such planes are within the limits of the space. The scientist is misled at this precise point.
Some time back, he did not know certain deeper planes of the world. Now he succeeded in analyzing those unknown planes. Due to this, scientist becomes blind with ego. Based on this success, he feels that he will analyze the final truth of the unimaginable limits of infinite space (world) in future on some day. This is not correct. The reason for this is that the planes which were not known to him and which are now known to him are within the limits of space only. Still, there are more deeper planes which are not known as on today. In the case of these planes, I assure the success for the scientist because these planes are also within the limits of space. But he should know that on any day he cannot cross the dead limits of space and God is beyond such space.
Since God is the generator of space (Atmana Akashah..Veda), we can touch the edge of God only in the unimaginable limits of the space. We can say that once we have touched the limits of space we have touched God.
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05-04-2007, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
Forgive me for dissecting your prose to such a degree, but as I've already stated, I'm drunk, and my attention span is relatively limited. Please don't take offense that I'm not synthesizing your posts as a whole (I will later), but I'd like to get a few specific answers from you...
On what basis do you say that the limits of space are "unimaginable"? The limits of space can be described rather succinctly, mathematically. (Also, as an aside, why do you capitalize "Me"?) Also, why would these ostensibly unimaginable limits be God?
I beg to differ with the first part of your statement, but, even if I agreed with it, why would the second part follow logically?
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You have two regions of unimaginable nature. One is the temporarily unimaginable region containing the deeper planes of world within the limits of the space and these are surely going to be analyzed in future by scientists. The other is the permanently unimaginable region, which exhibits the permanently unimaginable limits of space or God. Hence, scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God. The unimaginable nature is the reason for wonder. Maya means wonder by its root word. Hence, we have temporary and permanent regions of Maya. Even the magic show, which creates wonder, is called as Maya, which is temporary since you can analyze it and know it after some time. But the miracle performed by the human form of the Lord can never be analyzed which is not magic and such divine miracle is a permanent Maya indicating the permanently unimaginable God in the human form. Therefore, the miracle of human incarnation and the unimaginable limits of space are one and the same in establishing the permanently unimaginable and hence permanently wonderful God.
Since there cannot be existence of two unimaginable items, there is no place for Maya and God together since both are permanently unimaginable. There can be several temporary unimaginable items in the world just like two items of a magic show. On realization the two items of the magic show give different imaginable technologies of performance of magic. But the realization of various permanently unimaginable miracles indicates only one unimaginable God. Therefore, in all the permanently unimaginable miracles, there is only one God as the basis, who is permanently unimaginable.
Maya needs a medium of imaginable nature to exhibit its unimaginable nature. The unimaginable limits of the Universe are exhibited by the imaginable Universe, which is composed by imaginable items. Similarly, the unimaginable God is exhibited by the imaginable human body, which performs the unimaginable miracles through imaginable actions and imaginable items.
For example, when the human incarnation moves its hand and produces sacred ash, the human form, hand, movement of hand and the final ash are imaginable items. With the help of these imaginable items, the generation of ash from space is exhibited as the permanently unimaginable miracle. Even the temporary Maya needs imaginable items in the magic show for exhibition.
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05-04-2007, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips
Forgive me for dissecting your prose to such a degree, but as I've already state
I beg to differ with the first part of your statement, but, even if I agreed with it, why would the second part follow logically?
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For example in the ancient time the awareness is thought to be independent energy like a free electromagnetic wave in space. But today due to advancement of science and analytical faculty it is clearly proved that awareness is not an independent item but it is completely dependent on the co-existence of functioning nervous system and the inert heat energy produced by the oxidation of food. It is only a special work form of energy appearing through a complicated special technology of brain and nervous system. It is not independent even like the electromagnetic radiation traveling in the space. That which was wonderful yesterday is clear today. It was unimaginable but now is imaginable. Therefore, there is a knowable region extending up to space in the creation.
In this knowable region there are certain layers of attained knowledge and certain layers of unimaginable nature. But the layers of unimaginable nature will certainly be analyzed by logic and science in the course of time. But there is a dead limit of this logic and analysis of science, which is the space beyond which the region of eternal unimaginable nature exists. Therefore, by conquering the unimaginable layers within the knowable region, it does not mean that one day or other the logic or science will cross the dead limit of space also and capture the unimaginable God existing beyond space. That is impossible.
You may try and try and one day you may touch the roof of your house by the constant practice of high jumps. But this does not mean that one day or other you will also touch the sky by the continuous practice of high jumps. Today the unimaginable layers within the knowable region may appear wonderful and these layers can be called as Maya. The word Maya comes from root meaning “wonder” (Maya vaichitrye). The word wonder does not mean that it will be always unimaginable. The temporarily unimaginable systems also look wonderful before the analysis. The magic show looks wonderful but it can be analyzed and the wonder may disappear after analysis. Hence, wonder need not mean the permanently unimaginable item only.
The deeper layers of this universe are wonderful without analysis but may be realized in future. These layers are temporarily unimaginable and the word wonder is used in the case of these also. Therefore, Gita says that you will find the universe as wonderful (Mayamtu Prakrutim…..).
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05-04-2007, 11:22 PM
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Mercenary
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Nothing personal, friend, but I get the idea that you're here to preach rather than to discuss. As such, I don't have much interest in pursuing this conversation any further.
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05-08-2007, 06:30 PM
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May, 2003 edition. "Infinite Earths In Parallel Universes Really Exist".
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05-08-2007, 06:35 PM
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Ok! I'm not preaching. I'm reading cosmology. Just posted a source: May 2003 edition "Scientific American". The title is aformentioned.
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05-12-2007, 08:22 AM
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Governor General
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The universe, galaxies, space itself created God...
then God created us...
and yes Space is infinite!
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05-12-2007, 08:53 AM
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The universe, galaxies, space itself created God...
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How?
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... I am surprised at your insolence in writing to me at all. You know, as I know, that I bought this constituency... may God's curse light upon you and may it make your women as open and as free to the excise officers as your wives and daughters have always been to me while I have represented your scoundrel corporation.
I have the honour to be... your obliged humble servant, Anthony Henley
- MPs reply to constituent, mid 1700s
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05-17-2007, 11:03 AM
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Man created God, in part, to help put infinity into a human context. Our brains are not capable of actually understanding or even visualizing the concept of infinity. As with everything else that we don't understand, we are good at using our imagination to fill in the gaps.
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