David Jeffrey Spetch

The Article That Ends Religion!

First of all...

How can you tell that religious people manifest in lies? Well that is pretty easy. When faced with the facts that prove every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief religious followers will say anything to hide the fact they are beginning to realize what they follow are coming clear to be lies because of undenyable facts revealed to them. They go through a denial derived from thousands of years of religious lies piled upon more religious lies and imposed upon generations but leads religious followers only to find there are no answers when it comes to facing the facts proving what they follow are beyond a shadow of doubt based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief to begin with.

Even when faced with the fact that religion has lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of year's religious followers will desperately claim anything in attempt to ease their conscience of the fact that what they support is an absolute disgrace with thousands of years of proof. They have even claimed such things as "religion has done allot of good for the world" well no it has not. It has stolen from society values and attempts to attribute those values to the religion in attempt to glorify it for starters, but it is the very following of such lies as religion that has lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of years. Even though this is so, like mentioned, they say such things as "religion has done allot of good for the world". Well that is like claiming, "don't put the murderer behind bars because they have attributed to good causes." Does that fly in court?

Some people even are so desperate to say such things as "why does religion have to be destroyed, there are other sources leading the globe to war an divide too" Well, that is just like saying, "don't throw that murderer in jail because there are allot of other murderers out there who are free and will kill anyway" Does that fly in court?

I am so sick of seeing the same old poor excuse used over and over again in defense of religion and that poor excuse is none other than religions only defense which is ignorance.

You will not ever see one person, religious or claiming not to be religious show valid contradiction to this very fact proving with factual evidence that every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief. Thus in avoiding the very facts presented to them that prove what they follow are a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief is proof that ignorance is religions only defense.

The very fact that proves that every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief is quite simply that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter.

That is factual evidence proving beyond a shadow of doubt that every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief and being that the very fundaments of some religions are based upon the fundamental lie there be a god or gods, this is the very factual evidence proving beyond a shadow of doubt that there are no such things as god(s).

For those of you new to this you might not be able to piece this together but it has been done over a relatively short period of time and again I am here to share it.

To the fact that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter is proof that energy matter and time always was. Think about it, for anything that exists, such as you, the paper / computer you read this upon / the trees / mountains / stars / fish / rocks etc. it factually takes energy matter and time to recreate energy and matter for anything to come to be in the form it / you now inhibit.

Anything that exists is factually a recreation of three things that always existed and work in harmony in constant change thus revealing the only thing that doesn't change is that change itself always occurs because energy matter and time are always present.

There are billions of examples on this Earth alone that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Billions. I get people calling me a liar and yet not one of them gives me "even just one factual example" of energy and matter coming to be without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. That is quite simply because ignorance is religions only defense to vacantly call me a liar without offering one shred of proof that what I share be anything other than fact to begin with.

For anything to exist let alone to have the ability to create there first must be energy matter and time for it to come to be let alone have the energy to create or the matter to create with. I get people calling me a liar and yet these same people attempting to claim what I share is not fact do not give one factual example of anything being able to exist let alone have the ability to create without there first be energy matter and time for it to exist or have the energy to put into motion to create in the first place. This is quite simply because religion teaches those who follow to lie even if it means making such obvious vacant un backed claims revealing them for the fools they so obviously portray. Yes ignorance is every religions only defense.

Then I get people lying by vacantly claiming "proof that god exists and created everything is that energy matter and time exists"

But of course that is so obviously yet another lie in the form of a vacant un backed claim to mask older lies because that is the nature of the disease called religion that manifests within it's followers. You want some insight to clearly reveal what I mean, I mean that is the same vacant un backed claim as me saying "proof that a tater tot exists and created everything is that energy matter and time exists " Proof that a meatball exists and created everything is that energy matter and time exists. Well wait a minute at least a tater tot or a meatball factually exists but really the just is that, that about the tater tot or the meatball is the same vacant un backed claim in the form of a lie with the exception that at least a tater tot and a meatball factually exist. It is yet another example of the only defense every religion has and that defense is quite obviously ignorance.

Everything that exists consists of energy matter and time. For anything to first exist it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter because energy matter and time always was.

Then I get people asking me, well where did energy matter and time come from? Well that is obviously another example that ignorance is religions only defense. I mean I clearly share factual evidence proving that energy matter and time always was, these people do not share even one example of energy and matter coming to be without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter and even though it is all in the very article they are responding too they seem to think they are fooling anyone but being ignorant to the fact it was already clearly addressed. Hence:

It takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter thus is proof that energy matter and time always was. Let's see if you can come up with one example, just one example to prove the facts I share are in anyway not the facts by simply sharing one factual example of energy and matter coming to be without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Just one. I mean there are billions of examples on this Earth alone let alone the universe that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. I mean if you are one of those to claim what I share is not fact then you will obviously a) back the claim by sharing one factual example or b) practice ignorance which is religions only defense.

Then I even get people claiming the mere theory that it all started with the big bang. Well hello, for any bang to occur whether it be a big bang or a small bang, or me finding the woman of my dreams and banging her under the covers, it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for any bang to first occur. Otherwise surely any of over 6 billion people on the planet could easily come up with just one factual example of a bang occurring without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for it to occur.

I even get people trying such things as to say "time doesn't exist it is only a tool used by humans to measure" Well I got news for them too, whether humans are around to measure it or not, it still takes time for an asteroid to get from a to b. Time exist and proof of that is that it takes time for you to read this or me to write it. So we find a way to measure time, hello measure "time"! We got people desperately attempting to claim time doesn't exist because we found a way to measure it and yet they are calling me the liar.

Then I get people desperately attempting to make me the issue. Meanwhile there is thousands of years of proof that religion has been leading the globe through war and divide. Here I am seeing that people, despite that fact, are still so ignorant to even fathom the thought let alone claim they have a right to be religious. Here I am hearing a bunch of vacant un-backed claims (lies) is the only support to the fundaments of any religion. Here I am seeing cause for serious alarm for the future of life on the planet because of thousands of years of evidence that to war and divide is where the following of religion has bestowed upon us with over and over again. Are you asleep or perhaps in a partially conscious stun of haze as excuse for allowing this sick manifestation called religion to even exist leading us to such disgusting outcomes over and over for thousands of years now?

Global unity is not possible with religion around and thousands of years prove it so I think it is quite obvious that if you care about the future of the globe and all the life on it is time for you to wake up and make a stand for global unity by popping a few bubbles with something called the facts! Here I am using my own life to be here for the planet and in having explored the complexities of my own ability to figure things out by seeking facts with my own eyes reveal what is factually responsible for the creation of everything beyond a shadow of doubt. It is proven with factual evidence of which are the facts that replace thousands of years of lies (religion) that has lead those globe to war and divide for thousands of years.

For doing all this hard work I get called a liar. Well if you are seeing to be taken serious on such a claim then back your claim with some factual evidence otherwise you are practicing ignorance and the only person you are fooling is yourself and the rest of the globe has suffered to such behavior as you display for thousands of years. For doing this hard work and seeing cause for alarm to help the globe overcome thousands of years of war and divide I even get called a hater.

You see I do this because I actually love and care for the globe I live upon and seek to release it from thousands of years of war and divide devised by the greedy (religious fabricators) that take advantage of the unaware in a time of weakness for power and control over them many. I seek to release the globe from that manifestation of lies called religion that has factually proven to pit us against one another in war and divide for thousands of years. I honestly do not see where I am a hater comes from any of that. All I see are people desperately attempting to do anything but face the facts that prove what they follow is absolutely a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief. I see people valuing the following of proven lies over the well being of lives on the planet and these people are every religious follower that has ever existed. Thousands of years of evidence and the facts back the claims I make that prove every religion is based upon a fundament of lies that has lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of years and the only defense I see of any religion again and again, over and over is ignorance.

Ignorance is a sick excuse to put on the heads of our children so I will continue to work to assure future generations do not have to suffer something so disgusting as religion has proven to be in every way for thousands of years. I do so because I care, but not only because I care, but also because I care to back the claims I make on these most worthy causes for the coming of any possible global unity to occur. Facts exist whether you like it or not. You either recognize facts or you ignore them. There is no believing in fact. Religious people will desperately even attempt to have you believe otherwise because it feeds the manifestation of lies they follow / are fooled by.

con't part 2 ...

David Jeffrey Spetch
ps.be good, be strong!

David Jeffrey Spetch

Part 2 con't ..

So when you come across religious people, keep in mind they really don't know any better because they have learned to recognize lies as truth and belief from a time of weakness so have patience with them they too are only human. They were taken advantage of in a time of weakness by those who manipulate the following of religion seeking power and control over the many and now many people out there having been brainwashed, know no better than to ooze the proven lies in a most foul stench they have been fed by their religion. They were taken advantage of by thousands of years of practice by those who fabricate the lies of religion to get you to follow them and at the same time have you believe you follow something that doesn't even exist in the first place, but hey it gets you to certainly follow them and gives them power and control for taking advantage of you in a time of weakness and in many cases send your children off to the slaughter house too only to have religion attempt to glorify itself over the dead too. People get psyched out by lies, and fooled to follow the people who share these lies all the while thinking they are following something that doesn't even exist in the first place/ Yes GOD is proven with factual evidence beyond a shadow of doubt to be just a lie, a tool used by the greedy to get you to follow them while you think you are following the very lie they present to you as the truth. Pit truth vs. fact and you will find that the truth will crumble every time while the facts remain strong! Meanwhile I get called the liar for innocently sharing facts because I care about the future of this globe which is precisely, give or take, one in a quadrillion that anything like this globe exists anywhere else and exists at the same time this one exists as it presently does in what we recognize as "The Universe". Don't stop sharing the facts right back in religious peoples faces that prove what they follow are lies fabricated as truth and beleif, the very facts I have shared with you in this very article. Religion is soon to crumble and just as soon the life on the planet has to gain freedom from a proven nightmare that really only serves the intentions of greed manifestation. It is not the people you need to destroy, it is the greed manifestation they are for now fooled to support that must be destroyed and all it's lies fabricated as truth and beleif along with it for the coming of global unity.

Yes all these religious people were taken advantage of in a time of weakness, such as being a baby, being homeless, being raped, being abused, starving, seeing an attractive looking potential mate walk into a religious building, getting out of jail, alcoholic or getting away with taking advantage of those in their time of weakness etc. then they, who are in their time of weakness, are brainwashed to think so much B.S that it is hard for them to even fathom they were just played the fool in their time of weakness by lies fabricated as truth and belief because they are fooled to think they actually follow the delusison presented to them when it is in fact the people presenting such lies as the delusions they follow in the first place. For many of them their own selfish life is more important than what thousands of years prove. Their little bubble not being popped by facts is worth to them to blindly support with obviously no concern that what they follow has factually proven to lead the globe through war and divide for thousands of years. This is absolutely unacceptable, disgusting, an absolute disgrace and time for thousands of years of this sick nightmare called religion to come to an end once and for all for the unity of us now and more so for the future of the life on the planet.

And if you choose to be one of the many who do respond to this very article, then at least have the courtesy to put some thought into what you write I request and be very serious because quite simply what you are a part of, the future of the "globe" is a very serious issue!

What is factually responsible for us and everything that exists to come to be is energy matter and time. That is an undeniable fact. That is un-arguable / un-questionable unless you have one factual example that energy and matter can be created without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. It is called addressing the fundaments of the issue.

How can you tell that religious people manifest in lies / they fester in ignorance towards the very factual evidence proving what they follow are no more than a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief, and towards the fact that what they follow has proven to lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of years.

It's time to wake up and put a stop to the madness called religion clearly for the benefit of all life on the planet united in the near future to come instead of sending them off in this already burning ship that religion obviously intends for us to continue to burn on and thousands of years prove it.

I also have a suggestion that you now go have a good listen to John Lennon's "Imagine"! After reading this article it is the appropriate time. So go ahead and treat yourself to a preview of the globes future.

and as far as I have to do with any of this serious issue at hand, the reason for me is you, the Globe who's (the globes) most serious issues deserves full attention / serious examination for the well being of the future of the life on the globe. It certainly deserves better than ignorance or to be addressed as a mere hobby!

Without all of you I have been interacting with even here on the net throughout the years I would have had a lot harder of a time putting all that I now share with you into words and may not have happened until, ... if I lived to the ripe old age of 90 sort of thing. Credit for this belongs to us all because really it was a collective effort and most genuine hard core experince I have ever had the pleasure to ecounter. Thank you.

Our love belongs foremost with the life on the planet barr none! We are those who are now alive and have the control to make posotive changes for what is important = all future life on the planet as well as the life that "now" exists! We'll never exist in this form together alive on this planet ever again. This is our one shot to make obviously revealed / proven major posotive changes for the well being of future bloodlines so they can look back upon history and actually have a justified factually based reason to claim their beliefs in what all of us throughout history are based upon, something that factually exists "In Blood We Trust".

David Jeffrey Spetch
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Independent147

Atheists will never understand spirituality.

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Seer

Do I actually have to read all this crap or is it the same shit you posted on the last thread called, “Extreme crisis / The slaughters of recent and passed history! Religion!” Because It took time to write my response to that one… Maybe I could copy and paste. I’ll do that after I read this tomorrow… or not at all.

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Independent147

Ha, Seer, you think I READ that? Na, I just posted a short, easy reply that I find to actually be full of wisdom. I read part of the start, and found it completely offensive, and proceeded to write a quick reply. And why don't you post this as an ARTICLE? That would be more practical, because of the length and time it takes to read.

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"Love has its sonnets galore. War has its epics in heroic verse. Tragedy its sombre story in measured lines. Baseball has Casey at the Bat." - Albert Spalding

You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. -Al Capone

"There are three things that should never be talked about; politics, religion, and... the Great Pumkin."
-Linus
Pirates ftw! http://www.politicsforumpoliticalwor...uestion-2.html

FRYandBENDER

Thats it. Religion is done for. Everyone turn in your bibles, Korans, and Torahs.
He finally beat it. Report to your local book burning center.

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Izzibeth

Not true. This guy is just way out there. He's not an atheist anyway. He's a "factualist". :P

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Independent147

Oh, sorry, Izzi. However, I find no religion in factualism.

F&B... LOL!

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"Love has its sonnets galore. War has its epics in heroic verse. Tragedy its sombre story in measured lines. Baseball has Casey at the Bat." - Albert Spalding

You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. -Al Capone

"There are three things that should never be talked about; politics, religion, and... the Great Pumkin."
-Linus
Pirates ftw! http://www.politicsforumpoliticalwor...uestion-2.html

Seer

Ya… and I find no factualness in “factualism”. See my post on his last thread about the same thing:

w00t! My first post in the philosophy forum!

First I’d like to say that I’m an agnostic/Existentialist and I am not a big fan of religion (especially with most forms of Christianity).

One thing has come to my attention reading your responses: You, Spetch, need to learn some arguing skills, namely manners. It’s fine to get all fired up and whatnot but telling others they’re ignorant because they don’t agree with you is harmful to your own ends in trying to convince people.

I personally am ashamed because I hold high sympathy with those who believe the world would be better off without religion. So, in a way, your taking the side I normally agree with but your taking it in all the wrong directions.

You cannot outlaw belief.

As a response to the time issue:
Time exists when one particle of matter moves in relation to another. Time does not exist/it stops in a matter and temperature free environment. So for example, in the far reaches of space, where it is absolute zero (degrees K) within a certain area of this space, (as long as nothing is moving) time does not exist. This puts the term “frozen in time” literally.

As a response to your thesis:
You are trying to prove your theory by asking questions that have no answers. There is nothing here that can create or destroy matter; it goes for energy and time as well. At the same time this does nothing to prove your point. You are trying to prove the absence of a non-theoretical unexplainable un-seeable supernatural element. The realms of philosophy and religion go beyond the explanations of science so they say. So to begin with, your argument holds no validity in anyway whatsoever.

Take for example our understanding of time and when it began. Are you willing (in order to inject your theory with validity) to explain when time began? If you are not then this is another example of an unexplainable un-seeable supernatural element (the beginning of time i.e. God). This is a direct answer to your question regarding your theory that you so desired.

As for a ridiculous tangent: It makes sense if you have an understanding of physics and philosophy:
(there is a lot of “if”s in this paragraph but what the hell…)
If you were to say that time is infinite and time has always existed (meaning time is infinite backwards as well as forwards) and for the sake of argument, you supported the big bang theory (because you might have too considering the universe is expanding which means it came from a point sometime), then you must believe that the matter of the universe has continued to explode and implode on itself forever in the past. (Remember according to the big bang theory, matter is finite.) If this is true, (infinite time with finite matter) then you could reduce all existence into the most complex mathematical equation ever. When there is only a certain amount of matter in a space were it repeats the same process of “the big bang” over and over again going into infinity backwards in time, then it is plausible that events will be infinitely reoccurring. This means that at one point in time (backwards and forwards) you and I were on this planet before, the planet looked just like it does today, it might have the same weather too, and you and I would be having this same exact same conversation.
How’s that for a brain twister. I came up with that in high school. At least I’m sure I came up with it…

But the ridiculousness of my tangent has only (for me at least) reimbursed my ideology that the unexplainable, non-theories of religion cannot be “disproved” because they are not theories. For the most part, they were meant to be parables anyway.

Being an Existentialist, I have nearly the opposite viewpoint in which you hold. Being a self-proclaimed “factualist”, you believe that truth is fact as if to say that truth is objective; that there is an obtainable truth to life and all things concerned with it. I however believe that truth is subjective, truth is only what you make it to be, how you perceive it to be. This is the fundamental difference between you and I. This is why I’m better at convincing than you.

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FRYandBENDER

This is lame as fuck. Your trying to say that because this religious person over here does something bad, that automatically makes every religious person bad, even though another religious person does good.

What if someone said that this American had killed 25 people so all Americans are bad. You give no credit to individuals or their actions. You can not put a label on people you don't even know, just because you have a "general" hair brained idea of what something is supposed to be like. I think that you are a shallow, inept thinker.

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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.

Ayn Rand, Anthem.

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