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Old 10-23-2006, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting read...

That may or may not generate any comments. I WAS going to put this over at uspol but then I realized what a total waste of time it would have been with ... well, y'all know "with what" LOL Anyways, here it is:


Suppressed History (obliterating politically correct orthodoxies)

B. Forrest Clayton

second edition

Armistead Publishing - Cincinnati, Ohio 2003, 2004

Pg. 98

The modern liberals cling to two pillars of thought: cultural subjectivity (also called multiculturalism), and moral subjectivity (sometimes called moral relativism). Cultural subjectivity states that all cultures are equal. Moral subjectivity states that all moral decisions are equal. The decision to abort a baby, according to this theory, is morally equal to a decision to give birth to a baby. The modern liberals use Bohr's majority view on quantum physics to support their left wing ideology. That's why they suppress the truth about quantum physics from the textbooks. If the truth were widely known, Bohr's Copenhagen paradigm would collapse and the intellectual "scientific" support for the liberal subjective view of life would also collapse. When you take out the foundation of of a structure, the upper floors will also fall. This is what they are trying to prevent.
Einstein knew that the quantum physics emperor had no clothes. Einstein blew the whistle on Bohr.

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Is there an objective reality ? Is there an objective truth ? Intellectuals used to beleive in objective reality. Intellectuals used to believe in one objective truth. This all changed when Neils Bohr supposedly defeated Albert Einstein in a series of quantum physics debates in Copenhagen in 1927 and 1930. Neils Bohr stated emphatically that quantum physics called for a "radical revision of our attitude toward the problem of physical reality."
Most physicists today are disciples of Bohr and Heisenberg. They are indeterminists and subjectivists. They believe in Bohrs complementarity and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. They believe everything is random and based on statistical probabilities. They believe that there is no reality unless and until it is observed. They believe there is no reality independant of the observer. They are the liberals of modern physics and they control most of the physics departments in our educational institutions. They are known collectively as the "Copenhagen School" of quantum physics.

Pg. 93

A minority of physicists today are intellectual proteges of Albert Einstein. Einstein and his followers are determinists and objectivists. They don't believe in Bohrs complementarity. They don't believe in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Instead, they believe in objective reality independant of the observer. They believe there is only one reality. One truth. This group
of physicists includes Einstein, Schrodinger, Planck, and Carver Mead.
The academic orthodoxy in theoretical physics for the last seventy years is that Bohr was right and Einstein was wrong. This false orthodoxy was pushed in the textbooks for political and philosophical purposes. The truth was suppressed.
Any new scientific evidence that undermined Bohr and strengthened Einsteins interpretation was swept under the rug. It was not printed in the textbooks. The promoters of subjectivity and uncertainty were 100 % certain that they were right.

Pg. 94

Einstein said, "I reject the basic idea of contemporary statistical quantum theory." Schrodinger attacked Bohr's complementarity as "intellectually wicked." Murray Gell-Mann accused Bohr of "brainwashing" the majority of physicists. (Murray Gell-Mann was a nobel prize winner in physics.) What was "intellectually wicked" about Bohrs lack of belief in an objective physical reality ? Part of it was that he did not want this belief confined to the feild of physics. He wanted to spread this virulent strain of ideology to dominate all
fields of human inquiry and knowledge, not just science. "Bohr regarded complementarity as providing an 'epistemological lesson' for the field of human learning, and beyond physics his own discussions were principally in biology, psychology, and social anthropology." In 1939 , Bohr preached cultural subjectivity (that all cultures are equal) and moral subjectivity (that no moral decision is inferior to any other moral decision). For instance, a cannibalistic culture is not inferior to a culture that does not practive cannibalism. Bohr said, "each culture represents a harmonious balance of traditional conventions by means of which latent potentialities of human life can unfold themselves in a way which reveals to us new aspects of its unlimited richness and variety."

Pg. 95

Selleri says that the Copenhagen paradigm of Bohr and Heisenberg contains a "falsification." Selleri goes on to say that there is an objective reality in spite of the falsification put forth so effectively by the Copenhagen clan. Einstein may have lost the debate in the short term, but Einstein will be proven the victor in the long run. Carver Mead proved that Einstein was right and that it was Bohr who was wrong about quantum physics. Mead proved this in his book Collective Electrodynamics, which was published in 2001. Rich Karlgaard states in Forbes on March 18, 2002, in a review of Carver Meads book,
"Einstein had objected to Werner Heisenbergs uncertainty principle and, in general, to the statistics-based, ultimately random foundation of life Bohr was promoting. 'God does not play dice' with the universe. Einstein protested. Carver Mead said that Bohrs signature contribution to physics, complementarity, is crap. There is only one reality. The supposed conflicts of Bohrs day were a result of limited instrumentation.

Pg. 96

But instead of being patient, Bohr forced the issue and declared all problems solved. He silenced two generations of physicists. Carver loathes Bohrs legacy. He thinks Bohr perpetuated one of those monstrous intellectual frauds that every now and then slip through the asylum gates and confuse people for decades. Think Freud and Marx."

Pg. 97

Carver Mead lists ten experimental discoveries which vindicate Einstein and debunk Bohrs interpretation of quantum physics:

1933-Persistent current in superconducting ring, 1933-Expulsion of magnetic field by superconductor, 1954-Maser, 1960-Atomic laser, 1961-Quantized flux in superconducting ring, 1962-semiconductor laser, 1964-superconducting quantum interference device, 1980-integer quantum hall effect, 1996-Bose-Einstein condensate.

Bohr was able to seem as if he defeated Einstein in the Copenhagen Debates of 1927 and 1930 because they were prior to these new discoveries. Another reason many believed Bohr won the debates was because "the equipment for the experiments was crude by todays standards." New equipment, new technologies, and new discoveries vindicate Einstein and prove that Bohrs Copenhagen claim was in error.

I recently asked a prominent high school physics teacher if he had heard of Carver Mead. He answered "No." The textbooks and the teachers of physics are not even aware of the truth. This new information is being suppressed. The news media and textbook publishers are suppressing this information for political and philosophical reasons. They believe admitting that physics has proven objective reality would give more credibility to conservative Christians and conservative Jews who believe in an objective reality, and the ideas of moral and cultural objectivity that flow from that.

Pg. 98

This they want to avoid at all costs. If they do not suppress the truth, the charade of political correctness will suffer a devastating blow.

Objective reality based on one universal truth means that some cultural practices are superior to other cultural practices and that some moral decisions are superior to other moral decisions. For example, Judeo-Christian Western Civilization is superior to the pagan civilizations found in the third world, and sexual intercourse between a man and his wife is morally superior to sodomy between two men. These beleifs are totally unacceptable to the modern liberal world-view.

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Jesus, like I didn't have enough to read already.
Have you read these yet or are you?
If you have, are they any good?
Sounds pretty interesting though.
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Jesus, like I didn't have enough to read already.
Have you read these yet or are you?
If you have, are they any good?
Sounds pretty interesting though.
Beleive me, I know about having too much to read LOL. You don't even WANT to know the list of shit I hope to read... before I die I guess :-) Harder to read much with a new 1 yr old and a three year old capering about my house like little demons LOL

Ever hear Mojo Nixons song "Three foot antichrist" ?

Anyways, yes they do have a lot of good info. that you don't hear about from mainstream sources. I'm only halfway through the first one. I'll probably post stuff that I think people will find interesting to think about why these things have been left out or swept under the rug by mainstream.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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A little more:

Suppressed History

Obliterating Politically correct Orthodoxies

B. Forrest Clayton
second edition

Armistead Publishing - Cincinnati, Ohio 2003, 2004

Pg. 99

Einstein said some politically incorrect things that have been suppressed by highschool textbook writers. Einstein said that, "There is only one reality to be described." Many prominent physicists today who follow in Bohrs flawed footsteps beleive in multiple universes and multiple realities. They believe that there are parallel universes. One universe where you get up in the morning and brush your teeth and another one in which you get up in the morning and don't brush your teeth.


Pg. 100

All of this supposedly happens at the same time. They try to hide this from the masses, because they don't want people to think they're crazy.

In 1909, Einstein put forth the following statement: "The elementary process of radiation seems to be directed." This is anathema to the liberal ideology of randomness and chance accounting for all life and life forces. Naturalistic philosophy and Carl Sagan's secular humanism do not allow for God to direct anything. Nothing is directed: it is supposed to be left up to statistical probability and the randomness of meaningless chance.

In the orthodox Darwinian science magazine entitled Discover, June 2002 edition quantum physicist John A. Wheeler promotes the idea that nothing exists unless it is observed. When it is not being observed it does not exist. This shows the lunacy of modern left wing physicists who have been brainwashed by Bohrs complementarity and Heisenbergs uncertainty. It is still the majority view in academia today, in spite of the truth.

Many scientists hold fast to theories even when there is proof that they are badly flawed. They just put a band aid on it when it really needs to be thrown out.

Pg. 102

Putting a band aid on a corpse will not bring it back to life in a world where the truth is widely circulated. That is why we need to bypass the liars who are suppressing the truth and get the word out through our own channels of communication. This book is a step in that direction.

Let us never forget what Einstein said: "Concepts which have proved useful for ordering things, easily assume so great an authority over us, that we forget their terrestrial origin and accept them as unalterable facts ... the road of scientific progress is frequently blocked for long periods by such errors." Let us not be blinded by the authority of Marx, Freud, Bohr, and Darwin, because they may very well have been in error.

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First of all , would like to point out that I don't have an academic preparation in quantum mechanics, just studied it a bit for the fun of it .

As far as I am aware the copenhagen interpretation's conclusions such as the wave-particle duality has been proven with some meaningful experiments such as the double slit experiment , in which electrons ( or other particles ) are fired at a thin plate through one slit and then through 2 slits.When 1 slit , the pattern formed on the back plate is a narrow central band , as expected, but when done with 2 slits , the pattern is a wave-like interference pattern . This is happening because , the wave function of the electron is spread out between the 2 slits , and effectively there is an electron going through 1 slit and one through the other , according to the probability distribution of the wave function and as such , the electron is interfering with itself.
Further evidence is the transistor based computer you are actually using , which makes use of quantum tunneling to work.Quantum tunneling means that a particle can pass a potential barrier higher than the kinetic energy of the particle , that is , the gaussian wave function of the particle has some small probability to exist beyond the barrier.This is how electrons manage to jump the gate in conduction mode.

As for the whole "the world doesn't really exist unless you observe it" bullcrap , I agree with you. But don't make the mistake of considering the observation simply as a person looking at the particle.The wave function of the particle collapses under the observation of a measuring device , which in turn uses other particles to observe the particle , and so a new wave function is formed . So you can say that an observation changes the current reality , rather than makes it (which is really far fetched).

I don't understand the relation between the probabilistic nature of subatomic particles and the subjectivity or objectivity of morality.I think Bohr should have stayed in his own back yard ( science) .
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